Stepping Into Your New Role as Moving CEO

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to step into your new role as a Moving CEO.

  • “When I started my moving company as a 19-year old kid, I was working out of a truck rental yard. There was no CEO talk. It was just hustle and grind, hustle and grind. But when I started to realize that I was building an empire, I needed to take a different approach.”
  • “The person that I was, the leader that I was, the business owner that I was, that got me to that level, wasn’t the person that I needed to be to manage the business that I had built and manage the business moving forward, and to be able to scale. And so I adopted the identity and the mindset of being a Moving CEO.”
  • “Even if you go 24/7, even if you go 25/8, the reservoir of hustle and grind runs dry. It’s not scalable. So you need to shift the way that you run your business.”
  • “In order to shift and scale, you’ve got to set yourself up by stepping into this new role as Moving CEO, to be able to handle things differently.”
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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis Massaro:

All right guys, welcome back. We are on our final day, final episode, of the Moving CEO Scaling Series. And I got to tell you, this has been a fun 14 days being here with you guys, going through this stuff, and really just bringing myself through this place of growth and expansion. It gets me thinking about what I have going on in my different businesses. These principles are really universal. And when we talk about scaling or moving company, it’s so important that we lay down some of these fundamental truths about what it’s actually going to take to make that happen.

So those of you that maybe are just joining us for the first time, we started off, the overall theme of this series is stabilize, systematize, then scale. Because what happens is too many people rush off and try to grow and try to scale, but they haven’t stabilized their current business, they haven’t systematized their current business.

Today, it’s important that we talk about your new role as moving CEO. The reason is, because I want you to realize, that in order to scale, in order to grow, in order to get to that next level, we’ve got to shift our mindset and we’ve got to shift how we perceive ourselves into that role of moving CEO.

For me, when I started, I was a 19 year old kid, I was working at a truck rental yard. There was no CEO talk. It was this hustle, grind, hustle, grind, hustle, grind. And when I started to realize that I was building an empire and I needed to take a different approach. Because the person that I was, the leader that I was, the business owner that I was, that got me to that level, wasn’t the person that I needed to be to manage the business that I had built and manage the business moving forward, and to be able to scale.

And so I adopted this identity and this mindset of being a moving CEO. And literally changed, started going to the office and slacks and button downs. And I had my whole team in the corporate office there, wearing ties. The whole call center, everybody’s wearing ties. Dispatchers had to be in their polos. And we just really stepped up the level of the business.

And it wasn’t because what everybody wore made such a difference, or what I wore made such a difference. For me, it just signified that switch of, “Okay, I’m a business owner. I own a few businesses,” to, “No, I need to start running my business like a CEO.” Why is it that these major companies can handle so much and have so many employees and so many moving parts and be so profitable? And it’s just a different way of approaching it.

And so what we want to do, is we want to be able to run our business differently. If you’ve ever heard the expression, “What got you here, won’t get you there”. I had to realize that the hustle and the hard work got me to a certain level, and then it was … I was stuck. You run out of hustle and hard work. You only have so much hustle and hard work to tap into, that reservoir runs dry. Even if you go 24/7, even if you go 25/8, the reservoir of hustle and grind runs dry. It’s not scalable. So we need to shift the way that we run our business. And in order to do that, and in order to scale, we’ve got to set ourselves up and we’ve got to step into this new role as moving CEO, to be able to just handle things differently.

And it’s a transition. And you’ve been through transitions before. I mean, throughout your life you’ve always been who you are and true to you, but you’ve had different identities and different transitions. When you went from middle school to high school, you changed a little bit. I didn’t go to college. But if you went to college, you might have stepped up a little bit into that more grown up role. And then you go out in the workforce. And then maybe when you started your own business, you’re like, “I’m a business owner now.”

What I’m saying to you is let’s take it beyond the business owner, to this moving CEO mindset and this moving CEO role. Because it’s not just a mindset, it’s a role. It’s a new function, it’s a new job description, it’s a new set of priorities that you focus on day-to-day in your business. It becomes totally different. Business owner, hustle and grind Louis, was working on much different stuff than moving CEO Louis.

And that evolution, it’s there. So I just want to push you to step into that role. I want to push you to get into that role and start embracing it. And it’s not something that you could watch this video and then all of a sudden you’re, “Hey, I’m a moving CEO,” but you start thinking that way. You start thinking that that’s what I need to step into. And you start to recognize the actions that you take day-to-day.

And after you take that action, you’re like, “Wait, is that how a moving CEO would handle that situation?” And now you start to monitor yourself and you start to watch things through a different lens. You see things differently. You see things more as part of the bigger picture, as opposed to being lost in all the day-to-day details. The dollars are in the details. But it’s a matter of getting those details on point, stabilizing them, systematizing them, and then starting to zoom out.

And the first thing you’re going to want to do, once you get it stabilized, once you’ve got it systematized, you’ve got to start working towards … not abruptly just do it … but working towards removing yourself from the day-to-day, removing yourself from the day-to-day operations.

And now this doesn’t mean that you’re going to stop going to work, it doesn’t mean that you’re going to just go on vacation, it doesn’t mean that you’re just going to start sleeping in late and hanging out. It means that you’ve got to start looking at each function of the business that you’re involved in and start to, little by little, established ways to remove yourself from those processes and those functions.

And you’re going to do that through processes and through people. Through setting up delegation practices. You need to set up your processes and how to establish those. We’re going to talk about that as well. And, little by little, start removing yourself from the day-to-day.

And so the biggest thing with this, and the biggest thing with delegation that comes with it, is fear. “What if the people don’t do it right? What if I’m not here and people take advantage of me? I’ve tried to delegate before and it didn’t go well. What if they do this wrong and they do that wrong? I’m the only one that could do that.”

And so that will keep us trapped. And I’m telling you this because I want you to be anticipating the things that will pop up for you as you make this journey and as you step up into that moving CEO role, by removing yourself from the day-to-day. It all depends on where you’re at. It all depends on your ability and knowledge of laying out processes and the systems of exactly what to set up, of how long this could take you. This could take you 30 days. This could take you three years. It really all depends on how much of a priority you make it, how much you follow the formula of stabilize first, systematize second, then scale. In order to scale, you need to remove yourself from the day-to-day.

But if you remove yourself from the day-to-day and the business isn’t stabilized and it’s not systematized, you’re just going to have more problems. You’re just going to have more problems. And when we talk about removing yourself from the day-to-day, not everybody has the vision, not everybody has the dream of building a massive company. I know a lot of you just want to enjoy your life. A lot of you just want to be able to go take a day off in the middle of the week and do whatever the hell you want to do. You want to spend time with your family? Great. You want to go party? Great. You just want to be able to actually live life.

And in order to do that, you’ve got to remove yourself from the day-to-day. In order to do that, you’ve got to have systems in place. In order to get the systems in place, you’ve got to first stabilize. And I’m just going over all this because I know not all of you have been here for all 14 days, and I just want you to really understand the process. When we think about something so big, when we think about, “Let’s build a $100 million moving business,” it seems overwhelming. But when we start to really break down the steps and realize, “Okay. This is possible. It could be done. I could do it. But I need to start where I’m supposed to start and I need to follow those steps. And it’s going to take some time. And I need to know that I’m headed to the right place, I’m on the right path. And I just need to do the work.” That’s it. So that’s the first thing, remove your yourself from the day-to-day.

Then you’re going to need a new set of reports, a new set of reports. Because now, when you remove yourself from the day-to-day, you need clarity and insight into what’s going on. And we’re talking about scaling. So let’s say you open another location. Well, if you’re not physically there, you’re essentially removed from the day-to-day anyways. So if you don’t have your systems and your processes set up to be able to run something where you are essentially removed from the day-to-day, that business is going to really hard time doing well.

But now you need to know what’s going on without being there and seeing it and feeling it. All the same tools that you use when you are running your current business, whether you’re working out of a truck rental yard, whether you’ve got a big warehouse, whether you work out of your house, whatever it might be, it’s totally different.

For me, when I was working out of the truck rental yard, that was a different way of controlling and managing what was going on. The reality was, at that point, I was just trying to keep it all together. Then, when you’re in an office, and you’ve got a staff, you’ve got a team, you’ve got people helping you out, you could see, you could hear. Something happens, somebody says something they’re not supposed to say, you’re on it right away. You’re able to hear that. But as you start to have locations that you can’t see and hear and smell and feel what’s going on, you need the numbers to do the talking.

If you guys see this painting behind me, I had this made years ago to remind myself that the numbers don’t lie. The numbers don’t lie. And I’m not a math person. If you ask me to do some type of equation or something, I would need a calculator, I would need a spreadsheet, I might even have to Google the formula to figure it out. You don’t have to be a numbers person. I don’t love numbers, but they’re the language of business. And I knew that in order to do well in business I needed to run things off of numbers and not run them off of my gut feeling.

So I had this painting in my office for years. People would come into my office and say, “Louis, we got this great idea,” or maybe my sales manager, one of my sales managers, or somebody in customer service or a dispatcher, they’d come talk to me about this idea or this problem. And I didn’t have it behind me, I had it over to the side. And I would just point at that picture and he’d be like, “Okay. I’ll come back with the numbers.” Because, without the numbers, it’s hard to manage. And it only becomes that way once you start to see the numbers.

And for those of you that might feel like, “Wow, Louis, that’s overwhelming. I don’t know what reports to look at. When I see the numbers, sometimes I pull reports, what do I do about them?” Just know that it’s something new. For me, it was something new. When I first started running reports, looking at numbers, figuring out metrics and KPIs and key performance indicators, I didn’t get it, I didn’t understand it. But I had no choice. I didn’t learn this until I already had several offices set up. And I’m like, “Oh my God, how do I know what’s happening over there? How do I know if things are getting done the way they’re supposed to get done?” And the way of trying to manage it any other way was just insane to me.

Next thing you’re going to need to step into your new role as moving CEO, new meetings, new meetings. You want to get to a place where you can run your business off of meetings and numbers. You meet with the key players in your team so that you could stay in the loop in what’s going on, and you have the numbers to be able to see what’s happening and what’s going on. And then these meetings essentially revolve around the numbers, they revolve around any assistance that your ops manager might need, or your general manager might need, or your partner in one of your other locations, or your franchisees, or your movers.

This isn’t a, you got to be at some big level. The sooner that you could get yourself to step into the moving CEO role, if you’re still on the truck yourself, step into this role. You don’t have to go announce it to everybody. You don’t have to say, “Guys, I’m moving CEO now.” It’s not about that. This has zero to do about what’s on your business card and what your title is. It’s more to do with how you conduct yourself and how you manage your business, and framing it for yourself that way.
I wish I had learned this earlier, much earlier, day one early. So no matter where you are, don’t think that you have to get to some level in order to be and step into this moving CEO. There’s a reason people will be like, “Louis, you didn’t spend all this time, you weren’t on the trucks.”
You know why I wasn’t on the trucks? I went a few times when it was absolutely necessary. But I knew, at least at that point, that I had to remove myself. If I kept throwing myself on the truck every time that we were short a mover, I wouldn’t get resourceful and find out other ways to make sure that that didn’t happen again.

So I just say that because some people will be like, “I’m not at that level.” You’re at that level. You’re at that level. The sooner that you start thinking that way, the better. And no matter what, somebody will always have something to say. I had six locations and a long distance division that I just opened up. Took over the second part of the warehouse, put another office next door, just for the long distance division. And caught employees talking behind my back, saying, “He thinks he’s running a Fortune 500 company. Doesn’t he know this is just a moving company?” Shortsighted.

But you can’t care. Somebody’s always going to have something to say about you. Somebody’s always going to look at you and try to pull you down, back down to their level so that they’re more comfortable. I don’t care if you’re just thinking about getting a moving company, getting started. I don’t care if you’re on the trucks. I don’t care if you’ve got one office, two offices, five offices. No matter what you do, people will try to pull you back.

And I don’t say that in a pessimistic way. I say that because sometimes people will feel uncomfortable stepping into this moving CEO role. And I’m here to tell you, if you’re watching this, there’s a reason you’re watching this, there’s a reason you’re here. Step into this role. And you might not get there today. It might take you a few years to get there. But I knew, early on, that I had to start removing myself from the day-to-day. I knew that if I would go on the trucks every time I was short a mover, how am I ever going to scale this business? Who’s going to man the ship?

So you’re going to have your new meetings. You’ve got your new reports and you’ve got your new meetings. Next thing you need to do, is you need a new schedule. We talked about it in stabilize your tech and your time, block time. So your schedule becomes everything for you now. Your calendar, if you will. Because you’ve now removed yourself from the day-to-day. So you don’t just show up to the office anymore and wait for problems and wait for fires. And just sit there with your fire extinguisher, looking to put stuff out. And open up your email and play email ping pong with people, back and forth. And let people come to you with stuff and then go home at the end day, “Oh man, that was a good day. I got a lot of stuff handled.” You’re working on stuff that is going to make a big impact, and you’re letting other people handle those other issues. You’re removing yourself from the day-to-day.

So now you’re like, “Well, what do I work on? What do I do?” Well, now you’re going to work on business development. Now you’re going to work on growing the business. Now you’re going to work on managing the business from a higher level. Think about it like you’re up in the owner suite at the football game and you’re no longer down on the field.

So you’ve got your reports. You’ve got your meetings strategically set up; daily, weekly, monthly meetings. And so now you’ve got to make sure that your schedule is built around those priorities, your calendar is built around these priorities. So you start to create blocks. “Okay. I know this meeting, it’s an important meeting. I need to have it once a week. When am I going to have it? Thursday’s at 11:00. Perfect. It’s on the calendar. This meeting, I need to have it once a month. Perfect. On the calendar. This report, I need to review it once a day. When? Put it on the calendar.”

Otherwise, you won’t do it. Because the reality is, only reactionary problems and situations catch our attention and make us act. Things that are needle movers, things that will actually make a big impact, they’re important but they’re not really urgent, like viewing a report. It’d be very easy … “I’m going to review the report today or this week at some point,” … to just not get to it because it’s not urgent. The report’s not screaming at you like, “Hey, pick up the phone, answer the email. I’m knocking at your door.” The report’s there, just … And maybe you don’t have the reports ready? Chances are, you don’t have these reports ready yet.

So you’ve got to have this stuff on your schedule. Your meetings and when you’re going to review your reports. And then your entire day, your week, your quarter, your year, it’s all revolving around this. Meaning, those blocks are taken, everything else you want to do, you’ve got the rest of the calendar. We’ve only got 24 hours in a day. Every single one of us only has 24 hours in the day.
And that’s the thing, that’s the paradox here. It’s like, we work hard, we grind, we work hard, we grind. And it only gets us so far. It’s so true when they say, “Work smarter, not harder.” The problem is nobody teaches you specifically what that means.

And the paradox is that all this hard work that you put in, yeah, it’s great, you get the momentum, you get going, you get your business to a certain place. And for a lot of you, that’s really far. I was on pure hustle and grind. I got to multimillion dollar, several location business. Some of you on hustle and grind, maybe you could get to 20 million. A lot of people on hustle and grind only have a really hard time even breaking that first million.

And when we switch to a different place, where we’re stabilized, we got systems, we’re able to delegate, we say to ourselves, “I have to fight for my time. And before I just insert myself, before I just get on the truck, before I just pick up the phone, I have to look for other ways to not put myself back into the day-to-day. I have to step into this role of moving CEO.” You’ve got to have a place where you’re looking to go.

And where you want to go, is you want to go to a place where you can run your entire business off of numbers and meetings. And then, from there, your mind is free to think, to strategize, to improve what’s going on, to see things exactly for what they are and not be in the trenches, just with the stress and the other people and the everything that goes on. And so if you’re not there, it’s okay, it’s okay, if you know you’re going to go there. You’ve got to know where you’re headed.

At any given time, you’ve got to be able to manage two businesses. You’ve got to be able to manage your business today as it is, and you’ve got to be able to manage the business that you’re becoming. Does that make sense? The business today, as it is, you’ve got to manage that wherever you’re at. You’re on the truck, you got to be on the truck. You’re dispatching, you got to be dispatching. You’re still in the office, essentially acting as your own general manager, you’ve got to do that. You’ve got to manage the business today. But then you’ve got to manage the business that you’re becoming and you’re moving towards, and you’ve got to start taking the steps to do that.

That requires being very proactive, but it also requires seeing what that is. And no matter what you want to do, this is the scaling series, you’ve got to get yourself in a place where you have removed yourself from the day-to-day. You’ve got the reports to know what’s going on, by looking at those reports. You have the meetings so that you could stay in touch with your people. They feel your presence, you know what’s going on, you hear it from them; on your schedule, on the time that you chose. Not when they’re running in your door, knocking on your door, coming in your office, interrupting you. Calling you nonstop all day, all night. You got to take control of your time. You got to take control of your schedule.

And so the thing to do is not to say, “But Louis, I’m not there. I don’t know how to do it.” I didn’t know how to do it either. But I knew that there was people out, there that that’s how they ran their business. If they could do it, why can’t I do it? The number one moving CEO mindset is, “If they can, I can. If there’s people out there doing it, I could do it. If Louis could do it, I could do it.”
You just got to figure it out. And figuring it out can be messy. Figuring it out can feel very uncomfortable. You’re going to have to figure it out. You’re going to have to do the work. You don’t have to do it alone. You’re in the moving business, you don’t have to do it alone.

I mean, it’s insane not to look for the better way. And it’s insane, in the world that we live, the speed of information, the speed of information, the speed of the scroll, the speed of the scroll. You go on TV and it’s like, “Oh my God.” Not only is there a million choices on cable, but then there’s like, “Oh, there’s Netflix. Oh, Prime’s got a TV too.” There’s so much information. The speed of information is nuts. You’ve got to slow down the speed of information and focus on the depth of information.

If you have an area that you need to master in your business and in your life, don’t skim 100 videos on YouTube. That could be a good start. But look at where you could go deep, get depth. That’s the key. That’s the key to get into that next level. That’s what I’ve luckily learned how to do in my life and in my career. And that’s why I do what I do …

Decisions to Make Before Scaling Your Moving Company

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares eight decisions to make before scaling your moving company.

  • “What you were able to do with your tight-knit group before in your business, it’s going to become very different as you start to grow. So, there are some decisions that need to be made before you scale.”
  • “If you want to scale your business, open more locations, franchise, or if you just want to take what you have and build it up to a place where it’s making more money… I’m all for that. But, the thing is… I don’t want to see you prematurely go out and overextend or spread yourself too thin, and then be in a position where you have to scramble to hold onto everything.”
  • “Opening an additional location, or getting into long distance when you only do local, or whatever your version of scaling is, could put tremendous strain on you and your existing successful business, if these things aren’t set up right.”
  • “I’m giving you these eight things to think about in order to go in prepared and ready to go. You want to go in fully committed. The last thing you want to do is throw something against the wall to see if it sticks when it comes to scaling or expansion.”
  • Watch the video to get full training.

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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis Massaro:
All right, what’s up, guys? We are back for the Moving CEO Scaling series, day 13, episode 13. This is an important time. It’s an important series. As we’re coming out of moving season, I know that many of you are still experiencing high demand. I know that there’s a lot of changes going on this year. COVID caused a lot of stuff to happen, interest rates, there’s a lot of factors for why it’s so busy right now. And as we come out of that, and hopefully it keeps going, I’m not a fortune teller, I don’t know what’s going to happen, but typically, this time of year, things start to slow down. I’m talking to private clients yesterday that are just crushing it. still October’s booked out. They’re having busier Octobers, that we’re not even halfway through, than they’ve had other summers previously. So it’s pretty awesome.

But at the same time, we need to make sure that we don’t allow the good times to give us a false sense of confidence to go and just start opening additional locations like it’s that easy. And that’s really what this whole series has been about. It’s look, you want to grow your business, you want to open more locations, you want to franchise, you just want to take what you have and build it up to a place where it’s making more money, you could hire some help, you could have some consistency? Great, I’m all for that. And the thing is, I don’t want to see somebody prematurely go out, overextend themselves, spread themselves too thin, and then be in a position where they have to scramble to hold onto everything. Because by opening an additional location, or maybe getting into long distance when you only do local, or whatever your version of scaling is, it could put tremendous, tremendous strain on you and your existing successful business, if these things aren’t set up right.

So those of you that have been with us since the beginning of this series, we’ve started off talking about what to stabilize in your current business. You got to get things stable and calm. Once you do that, then systematize it, so that anyone could do it, so that your team knows exactly what to do, so things are done the same way every single time. And you need that in order to be able to, let’s say, scale or open an additional office. Because when you bring on more people, and when you spread yourself out thinner, a lot of that gets lost in translation. What you’re able to do with your tight-knit group, it’s going to become very different as you start to scale. So the systematizing piece is very important. And now we’ve been talking about scaling.

So we are talking today about some decisions that need to be made before we scale. And I want to give you these eight decisions that you need to make, so that you start thinking about this stuff ahead of time and you don’t miss anything.

And I want to give you these eight things, so that as you’re starting to scale, as you’re starting to get into a new line of business, as you’re starting to open new locations, you don’t miss anything. So I’m kind of giving you the things to think about in order to go in, because we want to go in prepared, we want to go in ready to go, we want to go in fully committed. The last thing you want to do, the last thing you want to do, is throw something against the wall to see if it sticks when it comes to scaling or expansion. You have a new marketing idea, great. Throw it against the wall. Test it. Track it. Tweak it. See if it works. If not, get it out. But if you’re going to make a strategic move to open another office or a location, or get into long distance or get into commercial or get into junk calling or whatever it might be, you got to go in there with a plan and you got to go in there committed to that plan.

So I just don’t want you to miss anything that you could possibly miss without thinking about it. Always ask questions. Always ask yourself questions. Everything that I need to figure out, I get out either a note app on my phone or a pen and a paper and a notebook or journal, and just start writing and asking myself questions. “All right, what do I need to do to make this happen? Okay, what roadblocks am I going to run into? Okay.” And think through the scenario ahead of time so that you’re prepared. Let’s get into these questions here. First thing you need to ask yourself, and use these as a prompt, and then I want you to journal about them later or tuck them away in your notes if you’re not ready to scale right now, and have them ready when you are ready to scale. Have them ready.

I’ve said it before, never feel like there’s too much information coming at you if it’s good, valuable information that you’re choosing that’s going to actually help you. Just have a little system for file… You guys can see books up here, but I’ve got notebooks of all. I mean, my personal notes of stuff, plus digital files of all kinds of stuff, things that I’ve learned and I want to implement that I might not be ready to implement right now, but at some point, some day, I’ll be ready to do it, and I know where to go to find that information. So this is important, whether you’re ready to scale or not, keep this in mind.

All right, first question. Why open? Why? Why? And this is important because let’s say we’re talking about… Let’s just throw two scenarios out there. We’re talking about opening a new location, or we’re talking about opening a new division within our company, without going to another city. Why? Really think this through. Because a lot of times we feel… Maybe you’re here or for 13 days on this scaling series and somehow feel like you’re supposed to scale, you’re supposed to grow, and we talked about it earlier in the series is that you want to really make sure that the reason you do it is based upon the outcome. And the outcome is really based upon the life that you want to live. And the life that you want to live is based upon the money that it’s going to take to live that life and the free time that you want to have to enjoy that life.

I forget which episode that was, but go back… I think it was stabilize your money and mindset. Go watch the that if you haven’t seen it. And we need to make sure that we’re opening for the right reasons because more money isn’t always the answer because a lot of times there’s more money rate where you’re at. You’re standing on top of gold. You just need to dig a little deeper as opposed to digging a bunch of little shallow holes. And we’ve also got our ego to contend with. I was a young kid and when I started… I was only 22 when I started opening up additional locations. I was 19 when I started. 21, 22. And there was definitely some ego involved.

I have six offices. People say, “What do you do?” “I own a moving company.” “What do you do?” “I have moving companies. Six of them throughout the US. Long distance.” That’s ego. And we need to be careful of that because in this social media, look at me, flashing all my stuff, type world that we live in, we don’t want to make decisions from that place. Because when you do open that line of business, when you do open that additional location, it’s going to require much more of your time, money, and energy. Don’t just think it’s instant money. So just think about why you want to open. Is it it leading you towards your big plan? If you didn’t watch the episode on stabilize your mindset and your money, go watch that. It’s important. Because we want to build a business as a means to building a life and we want to establish what that life looks like, what we really want, and then figure out what it’s going to take, monetarily, money wise, what it’s going to take to live that life. Then we reverse engineer that into our plan with our business.

Why open another location and have more responsibility if your plan is set with the office you have? So just think through why. You don’t have to… I know people that are crushing it with one location. My first office, my first office failed, which was in Las Vegas. I was there six months, couldn’t get a license, then went to Denver. So I consider that my zero office. My first real office in Denver, just that location alone, I was profiting 800,000 a year. For me. One location, local moves and storage only. And I know people that are making over a million a year in one location. One location. I don’t know who’s watching, could be you. When I say over a million a year, for themselves. Take home for them as the owner to then go pay their taxes and live their life with.

So again, I’m drilling down on this, because as much as I’d love to see people expand, the expansion’s not the impressive part. It’s the controlled expansion with sustained profitability that’s the impressive part. How many trucks? Doesn’t matter. How many locations. Doesn’t matter. I’d rather you be happy, content with less stress… Eliminating stress altogether is very hard to do when you run a business. But reducing that stress to a very minimal level and make the money you want to make. Oftentimes complexity will lead to overwhelm and it will kill profits. So just think through why? Why do I want to open this? Don’t feel that pressure. Don’t feel the pressure from outside influences don’t feel the pressure like, “I need to grow. I need to be bigger. I need to be…”

Because let me tell you something, I was there and I know a lot of people that have been there, I’m working with some clients now that kind of reached on an office and are having a little bit of issues there and we’re working on unraveling those. And I could tell you that having a business that just runs smooth and efficient and then just making tweaks and adjustments to increase the profitability and the quality of your service, a long way. Then when you have that, then you’ve got a model business. You’ve got systems, you’ve got processes, you’re working. Now if you’re going to scale decisions to make before scaling, what model are you going to scale with? What model are you going to scale with?

We talked about this a couple days ago when we… I believe the episode was your moving company’s scalability, I think it was called. And just because you’ve got local, long distance, storage, you book all the moves from your office there currently, doesn’t mean that that’s what you add actually have to scale. Even if you’re like, “Hey, I want to get into long distance.” Well, there’s several ways to get into long distance. There’s five models, successful models to scale. Meaning you might say, “Louis, just tell me the one where I can make the most money?” I’m going to give you the five where you can make the most money and help you distinguish which one is right for you.

We’re all different. We all have different areas of the business that we like and dislike. We all have different monetary goals. We’ve all got different abilities to manage on the ground teams, remote teams. So I’m going to give you five models, but for now, think about what model you want to expand with. Meaning if you do local, long distance, you’re a van line agent, you’ve got commercial work, maybe you do military, but now you want to open up other offices. Do you need to actually take that model and open up? Or can you do a trimmed down model? What model are you going to actually move forward with? Because that’s the model you’ve got to have all your processes ready for.

Next question to ask yourself before you scale, where are you going to open? This is specifically for an additional location, but where are you going to open that office? Where and why? Maybe you’ve established a really good market somewhere near you or somewhere not near you, but you just know, “Hey, we could go there and we could make money.” What’s the reason? Is it you want to move there yourself? You’ve got someone that you could send there to open up? It’s part of your… Maybe you want to open locations so that you’ve got your little route for long distance that you could keep… You’ve got a little triangle or you’ve got an up and down or you’ve got a back and forth. You’ve got a strategic plan for long distance, so you want to put hubs in certain locations.

Then, when? When will you open this office? For me, my locations in the time period that I was opening up, yellow pages was the dominant marketing source. That was my number one source for a long time to the point we were spending $250,000 a month, a month on yellow pages between all the locations and… So when we talk about where to open, I was just thinking, I was like… I’m hearing myself say it, I’m like, “So crazy. So crazy.” The marketing today is so much more flexible. So much more dynamic. There’s so much you could do. It’s a little more complex to actually manage it and do it than just putting an ad in, but you’ve got so much flexibility and you’re not stuck with that, that overall nut every month, no matter what.

So anyways, I’ll be teacher marketing too at Moving CEO Virtual Summit, by the way, and what to be doing today, specifically what lead sources to use. So when to open. So with yellow pages, it was in different cities there was always a main Yellow Page book, you know? And then of course there was like these other yellow page books too, that you felt that you had to be in those as well, you were going to this out. And whenever the book dropped, that was the terminology, when the book drops, that’s when you want to open up, you want to open up right around when the book’s dropping. So for example, if the book’s dropping in October. You want to make sure that right there in a October or November, that you are open and ready for business, because that’s when you’re going to start receiving calls. But if we think about moving season and when things are slower and all that, that might not be an ideal time to open up. But when you’re basing it off the book, then you’ve got to open up when the book is.

But now you could turn on and off marketing at the press of a button any time of the year, wherever you want. There’s no restrictions. So now you’ve got to decide is the best time to open up? Meaning what time of the year, what month of the year will be your best time? Because there’s a lot that goes into this. There’s a busier part of the year, the summer. There’s a slower part of the year. There’s times of the year where you’re going into the holidays. There’s the beginning of the year. And when do we really want to get going? Because summertime, oh yeah, great, it’s busy, but it’s going to be really hard to hire movers. Wintertime, there’ll be a lot of movers available, but it’s going to be slower.

Next question before you scale, who’s going to run it. Whether it’s a new location or a new division, maybe long distance or whatever, who is going to run it? Let’s say we’re talking about a new location. Who’s going to run it, and then what is their situation? What is their comp like? Are they going to be a partner? Are they just going to be an employee? Are they going to be a franchisee? What happens if that person doesn’t work out? It happens all the time. What happens if that person doesn’t work out? What’s the contingency plan there? When you start making plans for expansion, we need to… Obviously we want to have a positive, we can make this happen outlook, but we don’t want to be blindly, overly optimistic and think that nothing can go wrong. We need to look at it and go, “What could go wrong? What’s going to happen if that person that we send there or that we hire to run that location just doesn’t turn out to be what we thought they were.” Or whatever.

Things happen to people and they change. Or they’re just not the person you thought they were going to be. So who’s going to run it? What’s their deal? Meaning are they going to be a partner? Are they going to be a franchisee? Are they going to be a licensee? Are they going to be a GM? Are you just going to hire a dispatcher? Are you going to hire just some movers and let them dispatch themselves? Who’s going to run that new location or that new division? Very important. Then how much time is this going to take from you? The most common thing I hear from people is, “Louis, I don’t have the time. I don’t have the time.” Which if that’s an issue, make sure you go back and watch in this series, stabilize your tech and time I believe it’s called. Stabilize your tech and time.

But how much time is it going to take? When you write this number down, whatever you think this number is, I want you to double it. If you’re like, “Oh, it’ll take me 10 hours a week to…” 20 hours a week. Everybody underestimates this. Everybody underestimates this. They think that the person I’m sending there or the person that’s going to run that division, they’ve got it. They’re going to handle it. No big deal. I could go about my regular business and I’ll just be handling it with some emails and whatever else. In order to get that business up and running and have the momentum to get out the gate quick and successfully build a sustainable business, you’re going to need to spend some time.

So you want to get clear on that and you want to make sure you have the time and you want to make sure then the time that you’re spending with this new venture, what’s getting dropped or what’s getting missed or what’s getting neglected or what needs to be passed off or delegated in your current business? I think it was yesterday, the day before we talked about you need to free yourself from the day to day. You need to be process driven. You need to delegate, you need to get things off your plate because you need freedom to scale. If you don’t have time right now, guys, I’m telling you, a new location or a new division is not going to solve your problems. If you’re like, “Money’s tight,” and you want to throw a Hail Mary and open another location. It’s a long, long, long shot.

Get your current operation working, make that profitable, get yourself some freedom from the day to day so you have the time to make sure that that office runs the way that it runs. And if it doesn’t require the double that I told you to add onto it, great, you’ve got extra time to go golf, fish, and hang out with your kids, take a nap, read a book, whatever you want to do. The idea is you need the freedom to scale. And before you scale, you’ve got to get real about how much time it’s going to take from you.

Next question here that you need to ask yourself. How much capital? How much money is it going to take to pull this venture off you’ve got to have that figured out going into it, and you’ve got to have that money aside. You can’t open another office. I mean, you can, but it’s going to be very stressful and it’s going to be very down to the wire a lot of the times, but you can’t open an office thinking that, “Oh, don’t worry. There’s a little extra money in our account. We’ll just spoon feed that office as it needs money.” In other words, “Oh, we need to put some advertising. Okay, there’s a little bit for that. Okay, we need to do this? There’s a little bit for that.” Before you know it, you’re way over budget. And now you’re hurting your existing business.

So we need to be really strategic and say how much capital is it going to require? You want to do a projection. You want to do a projection, so you can see how much you’re going to spend, what you’re going to do. I’m going to teach you what’s called the scaling matrix. And the scaling matrix will help you determine how much capital you need. Because there’s a few things, as you open an office that you need to consider. And you could spend more on one and less on the other, all depending on how much… You’re like, “Hey, I’ve got 20 grand,” or, “Hey, I’ve got 200 grand.” It’s going to be a different game plan for opening up. Totally. What type of office you get, or are you just working out of a truck yard? What type of marketing are you doing? What type of office staff and employees are you going to have? What about trucks? Are you buying? Are you leasing? Or are you just going to rent all of that?

That’s why it’s a scaling matrix, because depending on the amount of money that you have to open, you could tweak and modify those different areas to meet that budget and just understand what you’re gaining by spending more in certain areas and what you’re going to be lacking by saving in certain areas and being okay with that. You’ve got to know how much capital. And you want to take that capital and you want to put it in a totally separate account, because the next question you want to ask yourself is what entity? If you open a new location and that location is… Especially if it’s out of state, it needs to be its own corporation or LLC. So you want to basically take that capital that you’re committing to that business, put it into that entity’s bank account, and typically you would not do that from your existing business. You want to be very careful not to co-mingle funds. Because the whole reason you’re doing another entity is for the legal protection.

So essentially check with your CPAs and your lawyers and all that before you do it. I’ll get more in depth into this at the event. But you would essentially have money that’s your money that you would loan to this business. That’s the simple way of putting it. Money that you’ve earned from your other business that’s now in your name, and then you would loan it to this business and you’d have money here ready to go. So now you’ve got the money here. It doesn’t mean you’re going to use it all. But let’s say it’s $25,000, let’s say it’s $100,000, let’s say it’s $200,000.

When you know you have it, now you could start making your projections. You could lay out your spreadsheet with the projections of where you’re going. What month by month it’s going to look and now you have an idea of what you need to do, how many jobs you’re going to need to book, what you’re are going to be spending on marketing, when you’re going to decide to hire that first person, when you’re going to get that next truck. But you’ve got to have that separate entity. We’ll talk more about that at the summit, but when you have a separate entity, typically you would do… Talk to your lawyers. Make sure or you don’t take legal advice from me. I’m not an attorney. I’m not a CPA. I’m not a tax expert. But you would have an S corp, if it’s a company that you own by yourself, an LLC, if you own it with a partner or a wife. Because if you have a single member LLC, now you subject to self-employment tax, there’s other things that go along with that.

So picking which entity is a big deal, and it also matters in your overall asset protection plan. Because if you’re like, “Louis, I’m opening 50 locations, I’m franchising. I’ve got a plan to do this or that,” you’ve got to start thinking about your asset protection as well. You don’t want, god forbid, the truck gets in an accident and rolls over and people get hurt in one city or something happens and you get a really, really big lawsuit and they can now come after that company and all your other companies. You need to have isolation so that each company does not put the other companies at risk.

How to Make Your Moving Company Process-Driven

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to make your moving company process-driven.

  • “It is clear to me from my experience and what I’ve witnessed and helped other people go through, that in order to succeed at a high level without stress and overwhelm, you’ve got to focus on making your company process-driven.”
  • “Your moving company could either be a people-driven business or a process-driven business. The difference is a big deal. When you’ve got a people-driven business, you’ve got no consistency. One person does something one way, another person does something totally different.”
  • “Training can be a hassle because you’re basically training a person on how to do something, but you don’t have the process behind it. If you’ve ever been in a position where you feel like you’re afraid to fire somebody because they’re the only person that knows how to do what it is they do. I know you’ve been there.”
  • “If you’ve ever said, “Hey, I really wish I could just have robots run everything. I could program all the robots and have them do everything.” If you’ve got a process-driven business, the programming is the processes that are put in place. Then you get the people to run the processes. Simple.”
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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis Massaro:
We have gone through the series of stabilization, systemization, systematizing, stabilizing, systematizing. Now we’re talking about scaling. We’ve been laying out what you’ve got to do to really scale, right? Take what’s working, bring it to that next level, grow your business, expand your business, franchise your business, bring it to a place where you could sell it, right? Bring it to a place where it runs consistently and predictably generating revenue for you without the headaches so that you can run it passively, if that’s what you choose to do. Scaling is different for everybody.

Everybody’s got a different vision of what they want with their business. I’m here to tell you that if you’re in the moving business, you are in the right business to make that happen. If you’re like, Louis, I’m in this business but I hate this business.

My answer to you is good. Get it in order, build a model business, spend a couple of years getting it on point, getting the profits where they need to be, sell it and go do what you want to do. You know, that’s just the reality of it. You’ve got something. You’ve got a money maker in your hand. Don’t let that go. Those of you that really think that there’s a cap on what could be achieved in the moving business, I’m here to tell you, there’s companies in the U.S. doing well over a hundred million dollars a year. Don’t think that you’re capped and a million dollars is the top mark or 10 million or I did 20 million. I don’t think that’s the top either. If you’ve got really big dreams, really big aspirations, really big goals of what you want to hit for whatever reason, right?

Maybe just you’re driven to succeed. You’re driven to get to the next level. Cool. Maybe you really, really want a jet. Maybe you really want to fly private, especially after all this COVID stuff. You’re like, you know what, I’m done going and standing in TSA, be around all those germs. I’m ready to fly private. I’m not saying that this is what everybody wants. I just want you to know that whatever is right for you, I’m not a believer in this world of we’ve got to keep up with other people. If this person is driving that or if this person’s dream is to have a jet that that’s got to be my dream, right. I really believe it’s so important that we get in touch with what our heart wants and not just what our mind wants, and then realize that it’s there for a reason.

You’ve got a desire for something like don’t extinguish that. Don’t put that out. That fire is there and it’s really here and it’s not in your mind, it’s not ego. I should have this because I need to feel a certain type of way. But you’re like, Hey, I like nice stuff. I like to go on nice trips. I like to drive nice cars. There’s nothing wrong with that. Right? There’s absolutely nothing wrong with that. If you go to work every day and you do your part to contribute to your community, which is what you are doing. I want you guys to realize that. You might not put the pieces together every day that you’re serving your community. They need a mover. If this was like back in the day, horse and buggy types of things, there would be a mover or two with the horse and the buggy in the community and they serve the people and they took care of the people. Right?

Now it’s a more competitive landscape but it doesn’t change the fact that you are providing a service to the people in your community, right? You want to provide a great service, you know that. But if you know that you have the ability to orchestrate the moving parts of the business to deliver a great service to customers, then isn’t it your job to get more of those customers, right? I don’t believe anyone should ever be capped by the amount of money that they can make if they are serving. The more you serve, the more you make. If you do a thousand moves a year, you are serving at that level and will make that kind of money. If you’re doing 12,000 moves a year, you’re serving at that level.

You’ll make that kind of money and so on. But it’s not that simple because it’s not as easy as just serve and the money will be there. We’ve also had to take into account the laws of business and what it takes to make that happen. Right. Because we could have all the intentions in our heart and that’s what we want.

We want to let that guide us as to where to go and what we want, but we do need to use our heads. We do need to use our minds to be able to strategically make that happen. Right. This series specifically is about scaling. Let’s talk about your processes and your people and how we need to relate to that in order to scale, right? Because without the stuff that we’re putting in place, without the stabilization that we did, right? The systematizing, and now talking about certain aspects of scaling, it won’t be scaling, it’ll suffering. Right. I know the feeling and I know what it’s like to be super excited. Whether it’s just you and your own dream or your spouse or your partner, you’re like, let’s do this. Let’s crush it. Let’s expand. Let’s open another office. We’re doing this here. Let’s do it there. We’re making X amount here.

Well, if we open five more offices, we could make five times the money. Right? Listen, I’ve been there. I know the whole thought process behind it all. After going through it, it is clear to me from my experience and the experience I’ve witnessed and helped other people go through, that in order to succeed at a high level. Okay. And at a high level that is without the stress and without the overwhelm or the level that you’re at without the stress and without the overwhelm, you’ve got to focus on making your company process-driven. Process-driven, meaning you could either have a people-driven business or a process-driven business. A people-driven business or a process-driven business. The difference is a big deal. Right? The difference when you’ve got a people-driven business, you’ve got no consistency, right? One person does something one way, another person does something totally different.

Training is a hassle because you’re basically training a person on how to do something, but you don’t have the process behind it. If you’ve ever been in a position where you feel like you’re afraid to fire somebody because they’re the only person that knows how to do what it is they do. I know you’ve been there. Right. If you haven’t been there before and you don’t have the process-driven organization, you will be there. You’ll be in a position where you’ve gotten somebody, they’re so good, they do what they need to do. They’re the one that knows how to do it but there’s a lot of reasons why somebody might not be a good fit for your company moving forward and it’s the worst feeling to know that they’re not a good culture fit, right. They’re bringing the rest of the company down, or they’re just not doing their job in other aspects, but they’re the only person that knows how to do something.

When you have a people-driven business like that, you can’t fire anybody. Right. Because they know how to do it. If we switch to a process-driven, right, this right here allows you to have your processes running the business. If you’ve ever said, Hey, I really wish I could just have robots run everything. I could program all the robots and have them run everything. If you’ve got a process-driven business, the programming is the processes that are put in place. Then what we do is we get the people to run the processes. Instead of having people running the day to day with their own thoughts of what should be done here and what should be done there, you’ve got processes of the best practices of how things should be handled. Then you have people running those process.

And of course, there’s going to be things that come up that will require the people that are involved with these to make those decisions. That’s why you also need process owners. For every process that you have, you want to assign an owner of that process. Let me give you an example. You’re like, Louis, what do you mean by process? A process would be morning dispatch, right? From getting the crews out, right? Maybe it’s from the minute the dispatcher comes into the office to the minute the crews get sent out. What is the step by step of how that needs to be handled every day? Right? What about processing payroll? That process, right? What about the process of a new claim comes in for damage? What’s that process step by step?

Each one of those processes needs to have an individual person by their role assigned as the owner of that to make sure that that happens. Like, Hey, look, this is your responsibility. Here it is in writing. It’s very black and white. If you’ve ever had the frustration of feeling like you’ve told somebody on your team something over and over and over and they still don’t do it right, it’s because they don’t have the clarity. The reality of human communication is that sometimes the words that come out of our mouth and the way we hear them as they’re coming out is totally different than the way somebody hears them coming in, right. For various reasons, we won’t get into that. But when you’ve got it written down black and white and then you explain it to somebody, you go over with them.

Once the processes are done, the owner of that process and everybody else in that process needs to read through that process. Whether it’s in writing, whether there’s screenshots, whether it’s video and needs to acknowledge everything there and make sure that you didn’t miss any steps, right. Assign a process owner for each individual process. Next thing, you need a process manager. When people talk about, I’m going to hire a GM, I’m going to hire a operations manager. I’m going to hire a COO. These different types of positions. I want you to start thinking about those roles as a process manager, right? Because it’s really the same thing where we don’t want people running our business.

We want the processes running our business and then we want the people to run those processes. You know, McDonald’s is the perfect example of that. They’re not the successful, I don’t even know how much money they do a year in business and how many stores they have because of the people that work there, no disrespect to the people, right? It’s the processes that are in place and they could kind of stick anybody in there to run those processes. And if those people aren’t working out, no problem, remove the people, bring in new people, the processes still keep going. There’s no inconsistencies in the food, inconsistencies in the service based on who happens to be working there at that time. What we’re talking about is we’re talking about scaling. We’re talking about opening additional locations. You might have a nice situation in your current business, right? You might have good people. Like you’ve got a nice little flow that just naturally came together and that’s awesome.

But as you open that second location, as you take on a different line of business, as you want to start franchising, it’s one of those things where you’ve got to really understand that you can’t manage all the people. You need to manage the processes. The way that you manage the processes, right, is by basically looking at the people to see if they’re running the processes. Now see the reason so many managers and GMs have a hard time. Like if you’re an owner of a business and you’ve had a hard time with a GM or with a manager and you feel like they’re not doing what they’re supposed to be doing, it’s because they’re trying to manage people. They’re trying to manage all these individual people and all the stuff these people have going on. Right?

We’re all different. We’ve all got different stuff going on. As opposed to saying, what’s the process that needs to be getting executed in this department, that department, this time of day, that time of day? Are the people doing that? And if they’re not, you bring them back to the process. You basically gently guide them back to the process. You have a definitive place to lead them back to. It’s very black and white at that point. It’s not a matter of like, Hey, what’s going on? I’ve asked you to do this thing several times. It’s like, here’s the process. Whether they are the process owner or just a participant in that process, they need to just be guided back. Right? When you shift your perspective of management from managing people, which sometimes could be a total nightmare if there’s a lot of people and you’re managing the people, it could feel overwhelming.

I mean, if you’re a manager, you know, it could feel very overwhelming. But if you just have a place to guide them back to, so much easier. Start thinking about who you would actually assign to be your process manager. Is that you or is that somebody else? Because as you grow and as you scale, think about opening another location. You’re like, okay, I’m going to go check out the other. I’m going to go fly down to that office or drive down to that office. I’m going to check that out. Or I’m going to send my manager down there to check on things. What are you going to have them check on? They’re just going to go and sit around. This used to be me by the way. I’m not mocking you. This was like when I first started going to check out my other offices or sent somebody there. I’m like, we need more of a method of how we do this. Right. Of when we go, what we look at, what we check, what we see if it’s working or not working.

If there’s processes that are being run by the people, or if the people are running the show and kicking the processes to the curve. You’ve got to be able to go in there and clearly see, are they running the processes? It makes it so much easier to train, manage, to scale. The reality is having a process-driven organization, this is your only competitive advantage in the moving business. Let me say it again. This is your only competitive advantage. I know some of you might have some really great innovative ideas and different things that you’re doing, but the reality is to the consumer, a mover is a mover is a mover is a mover. You could go out and provide great service and you could have five star reviews and the customer could be happy, but internally there is a lack of success due to the lack of process.

The people who get this, the people that apply this, the people who document and live their company’s mantra by like we’re a process-driven organization and we’ve got great people to help us run those processes, those are the ones who win. Those are the ones who make a lot of money. Those are the ones who sell their business. Those are the ones who are able to scale, franchise, and really do whatever they want to do. Right? We talked about processes in order to scale, right? We’re talking about what needs to be done to scale, right? And the reality is what needs to get done to scale is what needs to get done just to create order and peace and get rid of the chaos and the fires. Right? Even if you’re like, Louis, I don’t want to scale. Okay, get this stuff in place just to bring some harmony into your life and some stability and some consistency in the business and clarity.

Once you have that, your outlook on whether you want to scale or not scale may change completely, right? Because if something just feels really hard to do every day, you don’t want to go do more of it. You know, I realize that, I realize like I’m talking and people are like, I’m talking like grow your business. Some people are like, even if they’re not thinking it, their mind is going, I should grow my business. I know that’s what I should do. But subconsciously they’re like equating that to just more pain, more suffering, more stress, more problems. Right. That’s not a good place to be. That will destructively start to take you in the direction away from what you want. Everything we do is taking us either in a direction towards what we want or it’s taking us away from what we don’t want.

If what you don’t want is over here and what you want is over here, we’ve got to be very strategic to make sure that our moves and our actions and our thoughts are all in alignment heading towards what we want. When we’ve got that subconscious going, yeah, I don’t know if I want to grow. This is just going to be more stress. This is just going to be more problems. You’re going like this. You’re going over to the side of the area that you don’t want to be. Right. Without even realizing it. And so, again, I know we’re talking about scaling, but if you’re in a place where scaling sounds like, you know, that’s the tell sign right there. If you’re like scaling sounds stressful, it’s only because you don’t have some things in place. One of them being a process-driven business, right. When things are in order, I’m really just trying to paint a picture of what’s possible because I know so many of you are there already and I know so many of you are not.

It’s just such a big difference. If I sat down at a table with all of you and we had a conversation, it’s like, Hey, you’re in the moving business. You’re in the moving business. Let me hear about what your day is like, what your life is like, what your stress level is like. Maybe we pull up somebody that’s been to the event, we pull up somebody that’s private client, somebody that’s in my program, somebody that’s really implemented this stuff and really done the work. It’s going to be a totally different story than someone that’s still struggling day to day to just get past some of this stuff. The reality is, it’s not that it’s a different story because the person who’s climbed out of that was once the other person. I was once the other person. I was once the person that was scrambling and stressing and doing the same thing over and over where they say, you know, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and thinking that you’re going to get a different result, right.

Everybody that’s successful in this business was once that person. The difference is though that a lot of people unfortunately will stay that person, stay with that same conversation, stay with those same excuses. The select few will say, no, I want to start heading the direction of what it is I want. If they could do it, I could do it. If Louis could do it, I could do it. Right. I know there’s additional stress right now, which is the way everything that’s going on in the world on top of the day to day. I’m just saying it because I want you to be able to recognize and self-diagnose that if scaling in your mind equates to suffering, it means there’s a little bit of work that needs to be done to clear the path for you. Right? Once you clear the path, then you get to decide what it is you want to do. I don’t push anybody to go open more… My first question with somebody is like, when I work with a private client, how much money do you want to make?

Let’s talk about the lifestyle you want to live. Then we reverse engineer the business into that. But no matter what that plan is, whether it’s, I want to fly private and work two days a week, or I don’t mind working five days a week and I just want to make X amount a year. No matter what it is, this is a requirement, process-driven. Right? It’s one of those things, we talked about it. If you don’t have the competence in creating processes and know how to do it, you will lack the confidence. If you lack the confidence, you won’t go seek the competence. But once you say, you know what, maybe if I just knew how to do that, maybe if I just knew how to write a process, it didn’t seem so overwhelming.

If somebody could just take it and chunk it down and break down the steps of how to do it for me, I could probably do it. If I took the time to do it, I’m clearing the path for myself. Right? No matter what you do in your business, it is to create a life for yourself, my friend. I don’t ever want you guys to forget that. It’s so hard to live a life with a people-driven organization, so hard, consistently, without getting sucked back in. Okay. All right. Now let’s talk about, that was my public service announcement for the day. Let’s get you guys back here to processes and people to scale. All right. Let’s talk about your people now, because we’re talking about scaling, we’ve got to think about the people that we have differently than we think about them currently. Right?

Let’s take the example of, because remember, scaling could be just taking what you have and doing more of it, right? Like you don’t have to go open more locations. You just ramp it up. It could be opening additional locations or franchising, or getting into long distance or getting into another line of business. Let’s take the example of opening another location for this purpose. What you want to do is before you do that, I want you to make a list of key position replacements, key position replacements. What does that mean? It means that whoever you have currently in your business, that’s a key position, right? Somebody, a manager or a salesperson or a bookkeeper or a dispatcher or the GM that you’re going to send to that new office. I want you to ask yourself what would happen, write everybody’s name down. Okay.

What would happen as we started to scale, as we open that new location if that person just no called no showed and you never heard from them again? You don’t even know what happened. They could have just went and got another job. They could have got hit by a bus. They could have just went off the deep end. I don’t know. Right. They just didn’t show up. It’s happened. Right. This kind of stuff happens. Or the more likely scenario is they stop working out. They’re disgruntled. You realize you need to get rid of them. You find them stealing. You need to fire them. They find another job. They move on. They have a life situation happened and they move on to something different. Write down all these people. I want you to write down a temporary replacement for that person if that happens. Because a lot of times we look at our ability to handle more based on the team that we have.

But I want you to recognize the vulnerability. I want you to recognize the points where things could go really wrong with just like one person leaving and what that’ll do with you, right? In other words, your name might be the replacement. You personally might be the replacement, or you might have other people that are the replacement. But the reality is if we don’t think through that, we might think we’re good. We’re good. Then one little, you know, you go make this big leap to open that other office. One person doesn’t show up again and it just throws everything off. Right? Not saying that you won’t be able to open up other offices if somebody leaves, but you need to know what you’re going to do. You need to know if this happens temporarily until we find a replacement, you’re moving to that position. I’m moving to this position. Here’s the contingency plan, right? You got to have that in place.

Then you want to establish who is your scaling team. Who is your scaling team? We’re going to use the example of opening an additional location, opening an additional office. You’ve got to realize that not everyone that works for you is as excited about this as you are. Not everybody’s needed. You know, if you’ve got a dispatcher, you’ve got a sales team, you’ve got a bookkeeper, you’ve got an office manager, you’ve got a warehouse person, and you’re going to go open another location. First of all, who needs to be involved in the opening of that other location? Right? Who is going to be on your scaling team? Who’s going to actually help with the day to day? Because here’s what happens. If we don’t establish who’s in those meetings, who’s not in those meetings, all of a sudden the message in the office becomes very convoluted.

The people that are truly aren’t really involved, like maybe a dispatcher that’s dispatching your local business, they really won’t have anything to do with the future location. You’re pulling them in conversations. You’re pulling them in meetings. They’re hearing about it. A lot of times the priorities of that office will get neglected as we’re focused on opening up and building the additional office. Right? You just got to establish. You don’t have to go make a big announcement. You don’t have to pass out t-shirts like scaling team. Just in your mind know like, okay, whose help do I need to do this? If you’re going to open another office and keep your office as the central sales hub and do all the sales from there, you’ll need your sales team. You’ll need your sales manager, right? You might need everybody in your office, but it’s really important to make that distinction and to clearly define who’s in and who’s out so that you could keep it really clear.
There needs to be a clear chain of command as well because here’s what’s happened. You have this tight knit business now, right? Or you should have this tight knit business before you’re scaling. Now you’re going to start dividing and conquering. Like all right, come on, let’s go out and conquer other territory. Let’s go open other offices. As that starts to happen, the structure and the hierarchy unravels a little bit. Just make sure that you keep it very clear what the chain of command is, who reports to who, who does what. This stuff is so important. I mean, I’ve got private clients that done an amazing job of putting all this stuff in place and just have been able to scale beautifully, right? Open an office, open another office, rebrand, just really put all this stuff together. It’s because they really remembered the most important part of this whole thing, which is we need to be process-driven.

This will save you so many issues, so problems. Take a little time today. Think about what processes you need to develop. Right? A lot of people will think that they need to go and create this giant process book of every little thing that happens in their company. You may get to that place, but start with the stuff that’s going to make biggest impact today. Where’s the ball getting dropped? Where’s there a new opportunity to do something new but you need everybody to do it the exact same way every single time? Those are the areas that you start to put processes together. Right? Go start working on this, figure out what processes you need. Who’s going to own those processes? Who’s going to be the process manager? If you’re going to scale, think about any key players you have, who would replace them, and decide who your scaling team is and go make this stuff happen. Right? Go make this stuff happen.

How to Gain Freedom to Scale Your Moving Company

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to gain freedom to scale your moving company.

  • “In order to scale, you’ve got to have freedom from the day-to-day of your business.”
  • “You’re looking to attain freedom in your business for a few reasons. One, you want freedom to live the life that you want to live. And that’s what most people are thinking when they say, “I want freedom from my business.” But the reality is, if you’re looking to scale, open up additional locations, get into different lines of business you need to have freedom from the day-to-day.”
  • “To get on the path of scaling your business, you need a substantial amount of time to focus on business development. And you can’t focus on business development when you’re putting out fires and dealing with stuff every day.”
  • “Listen, I’m all for expanding, growing, getting to that next level, making all the money you want to make… But do it right. You’ve got to get things in order, stabilize, systematize, and commit to making it happen.”
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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis:

Today, we’re going to continue our scaling series of how to take your moving company and scale what’s working, take it to the next level. Those of you that have been with us since the beginning, you know that we started off by first talking about stabilizing certain areas of your business, because in order to scale we first have to stabilize what we’ve already got going on. If there’s some blue screws, or the wheels feel like they’re falling off the bus, we’ve got to get that in order, before we start scaling. Then we moved on to systematizing. Because you really can’t scale anything until there’s systems and processes behind it. Otherwise, it turns from scaling to suffering, to total chaos.

Today is a really important one. And it’s perfect that it’s on a Sunday, because when we think about a Sunday, it’s more laid back, it’s more chill. And in order to scale, you’ve got to have freedom from the day to day of your business. So we’re looking to attain freedom in our business for a few reasons. I mean, number one, we want freedom to live the life that we want to live. And that’s what most people are thinking when they think, “I want freedom from my business, I want freedom.” But the reality is, if you’re looking to scale, if you’re looking to open up additional locations, if you’re looking to get into different lines of business, maybe you do local you want to get into long distance, or you want to get into commercial, and maybe you want to franchise, whatever it is, you want to become a hometown dominator. You just want to take what’s working and grow it, you need to have freedom from the day to day.

So important, to get on the path of scaling your business, you need a substantial amount of time to focus on business development. And you can’t focus on business development when you’re putting out fires and dealing with stuff every day. So we want to get you to a place where you’ve got the freedom to go expand. Let’s say you want to open another office. It’s so easy, and I see it happen to so many people. It happened to me where we think, “Wow, my existing office is working really well. This will be easy. I’ve got somebody, they’re pretty good. They’ve been with me. They kind of know the deal. They’re hungry, I’m going to send them to that location. They’ll run it. It’ll be fine.”

And the reality is that is rarely the case. Rarely the case. What typically happens is it doesn’t go as smooth as you expected. That person needs more support, they need more guidance. If you think about what it took to really get your business up and running and off the ground to go and open another one, to go and open another one, you have to overestimate the time that it’s going to take out of your life to make sure that that office gets up and running with the right momentum successfully.

I see too many people open an additional location. Like they’re throwing what at the wall to see if it sticks, expand, grow, get to that next level, make all the money you want to make, but do it. Get things in order, stabilize, systematize, commit, “I’m opening this location and I’m going to make it happen.” And in order to do that and keep your sanity at the same time, you need freedom from the day to day.

So let’s talk about that today because that’s really what we’re all after. And people that want to talk about scaling, getting to the next level, first let’s get you freedom from the day to day. You’d be surprised how many people I work with who want to open more locations. And once we get them the freedom, and once we get them the profits that they want out of the one location, they’re like, “Okay, why go and throw myself back in the fire. I’m making the money I want to make. I’ve got the freedom.” But it’s really, really hard to get to that place, to make that call, and make that decision until you are standing on that pedestal of freedom for yourself.

Once you’re there, you have such clarity to say, “You know what, I’m enjoying this extra time for myself.” Or, “You know what? I’m bored, I’ve got this extra time, let’s start this mission, let’s go open 50 locations, let’s build a hundred million moving company.” Whatever your aspirations are, they’ll become very clear when you have the freedom. Because a lot of times I also see companies that they’re so burdened by what’s going on, that the idea of scaling and growing in their mind equates to stress, it equates to burden. We’re talking about scaling like that’s something everybody wants. And I know, and I realize that a lot of people, even if it’s subconsciously the thought of that stresses them out.

When we take action in life, we take action because we’re either going towards something we want, or we’re going away from something that we don’t want. We’re going towards something we want, or we’re going away from something we don’t want. So when we think about scaling, if our mind associates that with more stress, more trouble, more money, more problems. If that’s where the mind goes, then you’re not going to want to scale. But if we could get you to that place of freedom, that place of the business is running smooth, there’s consistency. Now, all of a sudden, you may say, “Huh, wow. I could actually grow this business. Be twice, three times, 10 times the size, 20 times the size I am now and do it in a way that’s actually easier than it’s happening for me now.”

That’s what happened to me. Early on, it was a grind. It was a struggle. It was a grind. It was a struggle. But once I learned this stuff that I’m going to teach you today, the climb from zero to a million was so much harder than the climb, the 20 million. That’s just the reality of it.

So let me walk you through these steps today. Okay. First thing I want you to do is I want you to do this little exercise with me that I call the One Year Vacation Exercise. One Year Vacation Exercise. I want you to imagine that you are getting ready to go on vacation for a year. Wherever you want, wherever that is to do whatever it is you want to do. But you’re going to be away from your business, there’s going to be very limited contact. You’ll have email. You could check in once, maybe once a week on a zoom call, something like that, but you’re going to be on a year long vacation. What needs to happen in order for you to feel good about that? What needs to happen in order for you to feel like the whole business is not going to just fall apart when you leave?

And look, this is extreme. I get it. I get it. Some of you, it’s like the idea going away for a weekend is crazy. My first trips in the business, I was in Denver. My first trips were like fly to Vegas on a Saturday night, go to dinner, go out, the next day hit the pool, hit the spa, fly back Sunday. That was the extent of it. When I took my first week long vacation, I felt like I didn’t know what was going to happen. And later on to the point where in my busiest months, in the middle of the summer, I would just be gone for months at a time, spend the summer in the mountain somewhere, spend a month in Europe. So I understand that this may seem like a hard thing to do.

So let me give you some key areas that you need to think about in order to be able to pull this off. Now, I’m not telling you to go on vacation for a year. I want you to put yourself in this place mentally to say, “If I was going to go away for a year, what do I need to get tightened up to make that happen? What do I need to get tightened up to make that happen?” If somebody came tomorrow and gave you the chance of a lifetime to go somewhere, to do something and you’re saying, “I can’t pass this up.” You’ve got to a week to sort everything out in your business to get it to a place where you feel good leaving, and it’s not going to fall apart.

So the first thing you want to ask yourself is what do I need to do to feel a sense of control? Because, isn’t that all it really is when we think about delegating, when we think about hiring more people, when we think about training staff, when we think about going away? Isn’t it that we just feel like we don’t have that control, we need to control it? And this is a good thing. People would be like … It gets the connotation. Like someone’s a control freak. Well, when you’re in business, you need to have a sense of control over that business. When you’re behind the wheel of your car, you need to have a sense of control over that car. When you are responsible for manning the ship of your business and your life and your family’s life, you need to have control over what’s going on.
So instead of having the typical control freak stereotype of like, “Oh, oh, I got to do this. I got to do this.” We do this by setting up systems and setting up processes and setting up people to run those systems and processes and having certain checks and balances and certain metrics that we’re able to see in our business. So in order to … I want you to do this later on today, do this one year vacation exercise. What do you need to do in order to feel a sense of control. And just write and see what it is. Just write and see what it is in order to feel a sense of control.

And don’t allow your mind to go. “Yeah, but that person’s not capable of that.” Okay, so imagine, again, we’ve got to play tricks on our mind, our mind plays tricks on us. We’ve got to play those tricks back to get it to do what we want it to do, to tame it, to be able to put it in a position where we could think through scenarios that are going to help us break through the blocks that are holding us back.

Imagine that I’m going to give you anybody you need, I’ll hire and pay for somebody you need for the year. Imagine that, I’m not doing it. But just imagine that you’re like, “Man, I would really need a general manager, or I would need a sales manager, or I would need this, or I would need that.” Then write that down as part of what you need. Don’t worry about how much it’s going to cost to get it. That’s kind of the next step in the evolution there.

Next thing in the one year vacation exercise is, what are you going to for this year to feel and have clarity, clarity into what’s going on? Because when you have one location, your clarity could come from walking into the office, see what’s going on, hear what’s going on, smell what’s going on, sense what’s going on. When you open another location, all those senses are gone.

And if you don’t have the ability to have clear insight to what’s happening in your current location, you’re not going to have clear insight into what’s happening in your new location. So part of this one year vacation exercise is to just start thinking through the stuff that you’ve got to get in order now to free yourself up from the day to day. Remember, once we get to a place of freedom, then we have really ultimate clarity. But in order to have the freedom, you’ve got to have clarity as to what’s going on in the business. So what reports? What metrics? Just think about it like, “If I’m gone …” You got to fight the urge to be like, “I need to be there,” and say, “Well, what information do I need to be there for? What if there was a way to find out that information? Maybe I could pull it up in, in my CRM and, and look at that once a week. Maybe somebody could send me a report. What do I need to get the clarity to go away for one year?”

All right. So we’ve got control. All right, we’ve got clarity. Now we’ve got to take a look at consistency, consistency. What needs to happen while you’re away for one year for your business to have of consistency, consistency with your lead generation, consistency with booking moves, consistency with servicing moves, consistency with creating raving fans and getting on to give you five star reviews, consistency with your accounting and your numbers, and making sure that the bills are getting paid and make sure that you are getting paid. What needs to happen to create consistency?
Guys, don’t under estimate this, like you might say, “Louis, why? Tell me what it’s going to take.” I’m telling you what it’s going to take. I’m talking to many of you and I’m giving you … My biggest secret of figuring stuff out is doing certain exercises, walking through, what do I need to get this? What do I need to get that right. Essentially, what do I want? Why do I want it? How do I get it? So, that’s what we’re doing right here. So I’m walking you through this exercise of figuring out what it’s going to take to actually have the freedom in your business to do whatever you want to do.

This happens to be the scaling series, so we’re talking about scaling, but it’s to give you the freedom from the day to day, you didn’t open a business because you wanted a job for yourself. It may have been the first motivation behind it. Like, “I don’t want to work for anybody anymore. I want to work for myself.” A lot of you have felt that. And many of you probably at some point were like, “Man, I should have just stayed working for somebody. It was a lot easier, and the money was consistent.” But we do this to make the money and have the freedom.

And we have to fight for those. We have to make that the intention and go after it, if that’s not the objective, if every day the mind is just focused on book move, service moves, book move, service moves. That’s what it to be. And that’s okay early on. That’s what I did early on, but at some point you’ve got to change the trajectory of where you’re headed and where you’re going. And there needs to be freedom in that equation. Simple. Whether you want to increase the profit or you want to increase the thrive in your life, you need freedom to do both. That’s what we’re talking about here.

So next thing that we need to make sure of while we are on this one year imaginary vacation. And by the way, I’ve done this exercise with somebody who then turned around and … We did this and drilled a little deeper, but then went to Europe for, it was about a year. Managed the whole business off the iPad.

Like this is possible. I know it’s hard to think about sometimes and you’re like, “But how, there’s trucks, there’s mover.” And maybe you’re still a few years away from that, but it’s about laying the groundwork to get there. It’s about laying the groundwork to get to that place. I do not sell pipe dreams. I do not say that this moving business is get rich quick. I don’t even go out and say, “Hey, people, let me teach you how to get into the moving business.” It’s more like, “You’re in the moving business? Cool, let’s go, let’s do this the right way. Let’s get you to the place you want to be. Let’s get you to the life you want to be.”

Freedom is the answer. We’ve got to get you the freedom. And I just want to get you guys thinking differently. So let’s get back to freedom. Freedom, one year vacation exercise. Those of you just joining us we’re imagining that we are taking a year long vacation and we’re figuring out what is it we need to do in order for the business to not just survive but thrive while we’re gone.

Next one is cash. What do we need to do while we’re gone for the year to make sure the cash keeps flowing. There’s still money coming in, and there’s still plenty of money left over at the bottom, being sent to you wherever you are on vacation.

We’re doing this to prepare in this series for scaling. It’s the same thing and you just really want to go on the year long vacation. But this is specifically for scaling. Don’t think that you could go open another office and that other office is going to solve all your money problems. If your current office isn’t consistently producing this cash flow that you need, you’re going to run into a really, really tight spot at some point. And that tight spot can put a tremendous, tremendous strain if not choke-hold on your current business, a tremendous strain or choke-hold on your current business if you don’t have the cash flow and the cash to open up that other location, and you’re trying to float it all month by month, it’s not going to happen. I mean, it’s possible, but it’s going to be really stressful and such a bumpy road that it’s completely unnecessary. So we need to make sure in this one year vacation exercise that you’ve got the cash and a consistent means of getting this cash out of the business that whole year.

The next one is confidence. You need the confidence to go. If we had to sum it up, like if I said, “Come on, we’re going to go away for a year.” I mean, I told you I was in Europe for a month in one of my busiest months ever in the middle of the summer. And it literally was a friend that called me up. He was like, “Come on, come let’s go. Let’s go.” And it was like, I left in less than a week’s notice. And it was because I had the confidence in my business, the confidence that I had the controls in place, the confidence that I had the clarity to be able to see everything that was going on from my iPad, the consistency in the business to know that it was going to keep running and it wasn’t going to fall apart, and the cash to make it all happen.

So how do we get this confidence? The confidence comes over time with experience in having gone through things. But it also comes from confidence. In psychology, they teach something called the confidence – competence loop. Competence meaning you’re competent at something, you’re good at something. And so if you’ve never scaled a business, if you’ve never opened additional locations, if you’ve never franchised, if you’ve never taken it from the level that feels comfortable and gone up a notch, it’s because you don’t yet have the competence to do that. Doesn’t mean you can’t gain it. As you gain the competence through learning, you gain competence by learning and applying.

And when you do that, you gain more confidence in your ability to do it. And once you gain more confidence, you’ll seek more competence. I know that a lot of people that are on the fence about coming to the event, it’s because they don’t have the confidence because they haven’t reached a certain level of competence in the business and they feel like, you know what? I don’t know enough to go learn that advanced stuff.

But that’s like saying, “I haven’t made it to the stop sign at the end of the street. So I don’t want to know what’s beyond that stop sign.” We need to have this competence-confidence loop going all the time. Simple as that, simple as that, the better you get at doing something, the more confident you’ll be. You’ll do it more. The more you do it, the better you get at it, the better you get at it, the more you want to do it. I look at this as like golf. Those of you play golf you know, at some point, nobody just started and was really good, so you lacked confidence. For years I allowed myself to just be kind of a dabbler playing golf and play here and there.

And I got to tell you, it destroyed my confidence. Like being out there with people that knew how to play. I went on to the course with tremendous confidence of just being a confident person and confident in business, confident in life. But then my competence level wasn’t there in golf. And so my confidence just went [inaudible 00:23:03], but as I got better because I played more, I got more confidence. As I got more confidence I was like, “I want to play more because it’s more enjoyable.” The confidence-competence loop. So, whatever you feel that you are not prepared for in this whole journey of scaling and getting to that next level in your business and in your life, just know that you’ve got to go do more of the thing that you know that you need to do that’s outside of your comfort zone.

You’ve got to go gain skills. You’ve got to have skill development as a major part and area of focus in your business. What are you working on? What skills specifically, are you working on to break through those comfort zones? Because once you have the tools and once you have the know how, now you’ve got the confidence. And so if you’ve got the confidence, you’ve got the cash, you’ve got the consistency, you’ve got the clarity of what’s going on in your business, the reports and metrics, you’ve got a sense of control, meaning you could be on a computer and be like, “I know that if I need to know this, I look here. I know that if I need to find out what’s going on there, I call this person. I’ve got these meetings set up on my calendar as block time, once a week, in order for me to stay in touch, I’ve got a sense of control.” You could really go on this one year vacation.

I mean, really, so start with, what do I need to do to make this happen? Because we need that freedom in order to do anything we want to do in our life, period. We need to get free from the day to day of the business. That’s the truth. Let me know, who needs some freedom from the day to day of the business? If you’re in a place where you’re like, “Louis, I want to get into a different business. I hate this business. I can’t stand this business. It’s so hard.”

That same hate, and difficulty, and all that, chances are unless you find something you truly love, it’s going to carry over into another business. So, I gave this advice to somebody a long time ago, while I was still in the business that wanted to get out of the moving business and get into something different. And I said, “Why don’t you just get this so on point that you could sell it, that you could get somebody else to run it. Because if you’d think that you’re going to go get into a different business and all these same problems, aren’t going to of follow you, it’s not the moving business that’s the problem it’s you that’s the problem.”

And I said this to him. And I said, “I don’t say that to put you down. I say that to hold the mirror and say, ‘look, like whatever’s failing in the business, the number one thing, the moving CEO mindset is I am responsible for the results here. I’m responsible for what happens.” So what I would to anyone who is struggling in their business in any type of way, maybe you got money coming in, but things are chaotic. Maybe there’s no money coming in, but things are running smooth. Maybe you got a mixture of all of it, I’ve heard it all.

What I would say to you is this, focus on getting business to a place where you could go away for a year and it would still run, make that your mission, or my true honest, straight up advice is, go get a job and there’s no shame in that. Go work for somebody, because business is business, and there’s some general principles that go into running a successful business. And even if your desire is to get out of the moving business, use this as your training ground to become that business person that you need to be, build the business to a place where you could actually sell it and get top dollar instead of walking away from it. And then go do the thing that you want to do. Then go do the thing that you love.

I know the struggles, I wasn’t given this business. I didn’t come from money. I started out of a truck rental yard with two rental trucks and a yellow page ad and nothing, and worked my way up to 20 million. And so wherever you’re at, unless you’re beyond that, I’ve been where you are. And I know the different struggles along the way. And there was a lot of them along the way, but that’s part of growth, never look and go, “I thought the struggles would be behind me.” Because as you start to climb, there’s just new struggles. But what happens is you get the confidence of saying, “Hey, all I need is a little bit more competence. All I need is to learn a bit more about that.” Maybe you’re in local and you want to get into long distance and the idea of it scares you. Well, if you learn about long distance and then you get a little practice with it in competence, you’ll no longer be scared of it and you’ll move on, and you’ll continue to do it.

How To Know If Your Moving Company Is Scalable

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to know if your moving company is scalable.

  • “There’s definitely a very close line between scaling and suffering. And if we don’t get some of this other stuff in place first, it’s going to feel like suffering for sure.”
  • “We want to kind of break down and look at the different parts of the business, because you might have local moves and long distance moves and packing and storage and commercial moves, warehousing, cleaning, junk removal. Like, whatever aspects of moving you do, we’ve got to break down each and every one of those because it’s not always wise to scale everything that you currently do.”
  • “Just because you want to open more locations, just because you want to franchise doesn’t mean that you have to take this entire model that you’ve created and duplicate it all. We want to actually look at which pieces of that model are really scalable.”
  • “Start looking at it as individual segments of your business that can be grown, as opposed to, do I have to take this entire thing and do more it? And even if you don’t want to open more locations, well, there’s certain areas of your business that you’ll find out are more beneficial for you, and where you want to go and the person you are, that are worth growing, and other areas of the business that could be left alone or even killed off.”
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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis:
All right. What’s up, guys. Welcome back to the Moving CEO Scaling Series. We are on day 10 of this 14-day journey together. We’ve been talking about what you need to do to scale your moving company. Take what’s working, bring it to that next level, take what’s working, grow it, take what’s working and expand it. And in order to do that, we’ve started off this series talking about stabilizing.
We got to first stabilize the areas of the business where it might feel like there’s a few loose screws, or the wheels are falling off the bus, or things just every day feel a little chaotic. And that’s what we spent the first few days of this series doing. Then we went into systematizing, because before you can start to scale, you’ve really got to systematize your processes and make everything just streamline and simple in order to make the scaling process much, much easier and enjoyable.
There’s definitely a very close line between scaling and suffering. And if we don’t get some of this other stuff in place first, it’s going to feel like suffering for sure. I’m excited today, because today we’re getting into scaling. Finally, we’re getting into scaling. I haven’t been holding out on the scaling aspect of this series, I’ve just laid the foundation for what it really takes to scale a business. Because I’ve watched so many people make that attempt and make that leap and fail, or struggle, or just be totally miserable and stressed out and that was me.
I was scaled before I was really truly ready. Like I was young, I was 22, 23 when I started opening additional locations, and I didn’t really have all this stuff that I’m talking to you about in place with those first few locations. And it was just hard and stressful and unnecessary suffering. Unnecessary stress, unnecessary problems, and that’s why we’ve been really laying this out step by step. it’s,
When I was younger, it was like, you’d hear people say like, slow and steady. Anybody, yeah, yeah, no, no. That guy’s got no ambition, he’s got no hustle. I’m going after it. Let me go. Just let me just let me out of the cage, I’m ready to go get it. All right. I know a lot of you can relate to that. I’m all for growth. I’m all for expansion. I’m all for whatever it is you want to do with your business to get your life to that next level. Let’s do it. But let’s just lay the groundwork first. So that’s what we’ve done.
And now today, we start talking about scaling. So if you are somewhere that you can get a pen and paper, make sure you do that, because today we’re talking about your moving company’s scalability. And what that means is we need to take a look at each aspect of your moving business and break it down, And not just look at the whole thing and say, is this whole thing scalable?
We want to kind of break down and look at the different parts of the business, because you might have local moves and long distance moves and packing and storage and commercial moves, warehousing, cleaning, junk removal. Like, whatever aspects of moving you do, we’ve got to break down each and every one of those because it’s not always wise to scale everything that you currently do. Right?
You might have your business the way it is now, the way you’ve structured it, maybe you’ve got local, long distance, maybe you’re an agent for a van line, maybe you’ve got some commercial jobs that you do as well, you’ve got a lot of stuff that you have going on. Well, just because you want to open more locations, just because you want to franchise doesn’t mean that you have to take this entire model that you’ve created and duplicate it all. We want to actually look at which pieces of that model are really scalable, really scalable. And so we’re going to assess that today. I take all my private clients through a process, it’s called the scalability assessment, where we look at every aspect of their business to determine what’s really scalable and what’s not.
And so today, I want to take you through a light version of that process so you can start thinking about this in a different way. Start looking at it as individual segments of your business that can be grown, as opposed to, do I have to take this entire thing and do more it? And even if you don’t want to open more locations, well, there’s certain areas of your business that you’ll find out are more beneficial for you, and where you want to go and the person you are, that are worth growing, and other areas of the business that could be left alone or even killed off.
There might be areas of your business, you’re like, no, let’s just not do that anymore. It just creates too much complexity. It’s not making any money. And it’s just a drag. That’s an important, important distinction in business and a great sign of business maturity to be able to look at something and say, you know what, it’s not worth the time, money, energy and effort to do it. So I want to take you through that process today. Because there’s one thing that I’ve learned when it comes to scaling is that complexity usually kills profits, especially in this business. This business does not have to be so complex. But oftentimes, we’ll make it complex, because we think that it’s going to bring in all this additional revenue. When in reality, if we could simplify what we do, there’s more money there.
Meaning, if we’re looking for gold, or we’re looking for oil, and we found a spot where we know there’s gold, and we know there’s oil, there’s both there. And we start digging in that spot, and we did like a little two-foot hole. And then we’re like, wait, somebody told me there’s also gold and oil over there and over there, and we run off, and we dig another little two-foot hole over there, and we run off and we dig another. The commercial moves, let’s dig another little two-foot hole over there. Where if we just stay focused on where we know there’s money, and we dig a deep hole, and we plant our roots there, that’s where the money is. And it’s simple, it’s straight. It’s not all this stuff all over the place, all these different areas of the business that we’ve got a tie together.
Now, I’m not saying that it’s not good to do more than one … If you do local moves, that it’s not good to do long distance, or it’s not good to do commercial, but we’ve got to master each one. And this series, we’re talking about scaling. So we want to determine what’s really worth scaling and what’s not worth scaling. Okay. So remember that, complexity kills profits. Let’s keep things simple, let’s keep things manageable, and let’s make them profitable. So there are six areas that I want you to think about. And when you’re thinking about these, I want you to, if you do have a pen, start writing down all the different areas of business that you’re in, or thinking about getting in.
So for example, local moving, long distance moving, commercial, storage, packing. Packing is part of moving, but we need to break all this out, we need to break it all out, maybe cleaning, junk removal, international moves. Whatever you do, or thinking about doing, that’s the list that I want you to have in mind right now. Okay? I want you have the list of all these different areas. And again, the reason that we’re doing this is we’re doing this to make sure that before you start scaling, you don’t bring unnecessary luggage with you on the journey.
You’re about to go on a trip, you’re about to go on a journey, why not keep it light, keep it simple and take the stuff that’s going to make the big impact? Like if we could establish, hey, you’re making all your money in local moves, and you’re not making any money in commercial, and it’s causing all kinds of complexity. Do you really want to scale all of the business? We want to start breaking it down and look at different areas. Let’s talk about these six areas that I want you to start rating yourself on. Okay?
We’re going to do a little mini assessment here today, if that’s cool with you guys. We’re going to do a little mini assessment to determine what aspect of your business is scalable. So if you do have a pen and you do have paper, all right, at the end of this, we’re going to kind of take all this and put it together. So I’m going to give you the six areas that we want to look at. And we’re looking at each of these six areas. So like, let’s say you’re doing this on a sheet or in a spreadsheet, on a whiteboard, maybe you list all the areas down the side, like in rows. You’ve got local moving, long distance moving, storage, packing, commercial, whatever lines of business you do. And then across the top, you’re going to want to put these six areas so that we could do this little mini assessment here. All right?
The first area that we’re going to want to put is net profit. Net profit. So when you’re looking at your local moves, I’m just going to use the same ones. Remember, you want to use whatever lines of business either you’re in currently or you’re thinking about getting in. And I want you to put net profit at the top, and then you’re going to rate all of them from a one to five. Okay. You’re going to give them a score one to five. Just based on, right now, like I said, we’ll do a simple mini assessment. One to five, where do you rate that line of business in net profit? Okay.
And maybe you’re like, Louis, I don’t really know the packing. I don’t really know specifically the long distance broken out versus the local. Well, then for this purpose of today, just to get it going, take your best guess. But take what we’re talking about today, go get the numbers, and then come back and do this assessment. This is really, really important. I don’t want to see you guys scale something that’s not worth scaling. Okay. So net profit.
The next column, essentially, an area that we’re going to assess for each line of business that you’re in, is the ease of service. Ease of service. So let’s look at local moves versus long distance moves. Which one would you say is easier to service? Maybe for you long distances easier. But typically, it would be local would be easier. Is packing easy to service? Easy to perform? How about commercial moves, are those easy? Is storage easy? So you basically want to rate this, give it a one to five, on the ease of service of each one of these areas of the business. Okay.
For those of you just joining us, it is areas of the business that you currently do like local, long distance, interstate, maybe military, commercial. Maybe do cleaning, junk removal, whatever it is you do or that you’re thinking about doing. Okay. What’s the easiest service? Give it a score of one to five. Then let’s look at the ease of sale, the ease of sale, how easy is it to sell. If you’re booking local moves, and you’re doing them over the phone, maybe you’re given an hourly rate, versus contract moves that you’ve got to go give a bid on.
You’ve got maybe military moves that you’ve got to get certain ratings done. Even long distance, you’re going out, you’re doing your on site estimates, what’s the ease of sale? Packing, storage, they’re already in on the move, now they want additional services. How easy is each one of those lines of business to actually sell? We’re assessing each area of the business right now. Give it a score of one to five.
Now, let’s talk about next column is energizing. For you personally, on a scale of one to five, how energizing is each one of those areas of business? When you think about long distance moves, maybe you get really excited and you get energized and it kind of like lights you up, you get excited. But when you think of the idea of handling storage and bringing stuff in the warehouse, it kind of drains your energy. We need to take this into consideration. Because let me explain something, when you start scaling, you are building a giant creature and you want that to be a giant, kind, nice creature. You don’t want it to be King Kong stomping on your head. You want it to be like the Big Friendly Giant.
And so, if there’s areas of your business that you just can’t stand, for some reason, they don’t energize you, they drain you. Like think about it, are they like the battery charger that help charge me up? Or are they draining me of energy? Think about that. Give it a score of one to five. Okay. Now again, you might have a one in one of these areas doesn’t mean that it’s not going to be scalable. We’re going to tie all this together. How energizing is it?
Then we look at scalability. How much can you really scale this area of the business? And if you’re looking at doing … If you’re doing local moves, and you don’t want to open up additional locations, you’re limited to the area that you’re in. If you’re doing local moves and you are willing and want to open up additional locations, then it becomes very scalable. There’s a lot of markets wherever you are that you can open up and scale it. Long distance, you could handle long distance for the entire country. So you got to look at How scalable is it? Because we don’t want to have visions and dreams of scaling this huge, huge business, and then scale parts that can only get so far and then we’re maxed out. So give it a score, one to five on scalability.
Then we’ve got to look at sustainability. Sustainability. Like when I first started, I was working out of the truck rental yard. After a few months, I was able to get an office. And the thought process was like, never turn down business. Like, we booked everything, and we’ll figure out how to service it later. I learned that that wasn’t the best way to do it. But what we did was we booked a ton of jobs and had late start times. We would start jobs 5:00, 7:00 at night at the end of the month in the summer because the jobs were going on all day. Like, I would sleep at the office three to five nights in a row because there was so much business and we weren’t turning down anything, and we were taking it all on and our sales process was strong. But it wasn’t sustainable.
Like, I couldn’t do that for a long, long period of time. So we’ve got to look at how sustainable is the business. Like maybe you have an area of the business that requires a lot of your personal time, energy, like what I was just explaining, you can’t sustain that for a long time. You can’t sustain that for a long time. So these are the six areas that we’ve got to look at. So let’s talk about how to tie all this together now. Okay. And let me just kind of give you an idea of how this works.
So what we’re talking about is we’re talking about taking different areas of your business and assessing them to decide what is scalable and what’s not. I’ve got a client, started working with him, he’s like, “Look, I want to scale I want to grow.” At the time he had, still has, but had a really good size local and long distance company storage, he was a van line agent for a major van line, and he wanted to scale, he wanted to grow and open more locations. So we had to kind of take a look at each area of the business because he was firmly rooted in what he was doing.
He was in, those of you that are van line agents you know like, you’d be a van line agent, and then you’re like on the inner circle in the van line, and you’re deep rooted, and you’re getting a lot of priority treatment. And he was one of those guys. So like, he was deep-rooted in the van line culture. But he wanted to scale, he wanted to grow. And so as we started to look at it, as we went through this process, and we looked at each line, we’re like, okay, you’re local, you’re long distance, you’re a storage, you’re a commercial. They were doing warehousing and receiving for some delivery places and some designers. What else was he doing? Packing, of course. We really drilled it down to load onlys and unload onlys.
And we took all those areas, and then we went through, we went through these six categories. We’re like, okay, let’s … Basically, I’m giving you guys a simple version of this assessment. But let’s look at the net profit for each one of those. Okay. Let’s give it a score. Let’s give it a score of one to five. This is what I want you guys do too. So give each line of work that you have a score of one to five. Then, let’s look at how easy it is to service. This is a big deal.
As we’re making a decision to grow something, we’re going to decide what’s the ease of service? And then what’s the ease of sale? How easy is it to sell this thing, this line of business? Because if something’s really hard to sell, and it takes a long time to sell, and the profitability is not there, and it’s also hard to service, this all seems simple, but it’s amazing how we don’t see something that we do every day. We’re doing it every day. And we just think that we have to keep doing it because maybe it’s bringing in a few $100,000 a year, this line of business. And we’re like, no, no, we got to keep that going. But when we really break it down, and we really look at it, we’re like, man, do I even need to keep doing that? Especially do I need to scale it? So how easy is it to scale?
Then energizing. And this is something that when I was younger, you’d hear the phrase, you got to love what you do. You go to love what you do. I’m just like, whatever. Like, I just want to make some money. And it’s so true that you might not be completely in love to where you’re living that, I don’t work a day in my life thing, right? I mean, work is work. I mean, the reality of its work is work. But you could make sure that certain aspects of what you do that you can pick and choose what areas of the business energize you, what don’t. Maybe you do long distance moves and requires you to be available all hours of the night for drivers making deliveries, doing stuff all over the country, they need fuel, they need guys.
I’m not knocking any line of business. And the reason that you’re doing this is because it is totally different for everybody. What energizes you might totally drain somebody else and they might hate it. What you like hate and don’t enjoy doing, somebody else might wake up excited to do in the morning. So we’ve got to look at this. So I had them go through this and take a look at what areas energize them. And then the scalability, how much can we actually scale this particular line? Like, where’s the cap? How duplicatable is it? How much of that piece of the model can we take and start duplicating?
And then sustainability. Can you do this for the long term. We need to start thinking about the long term. No matter what you do in your business, you want to create a model business no matter what. So whether you want to scale or not, you still have to build your business as if you were going to skip. And what that means is, you’re building a model. When you have a model, something that works really good, like a prototype, then it runs good, it’s profitable, you don’t have to be there all the time, it’s predictable, it’s sellable. So when you create a model business, you create options for yourself. You create the ability to say like … Maybe you don’t know what you want to do. And that’s totally okay.
Like, the old you’ve got to have a plan and a business plan and it’s got to all be in writing. That’s all bullshit. Like that might work … I don’t know who it works for. But the reality is, you’ve got to get to one mountaintop so that you could get to that mountaintop, and then see, okay, what’s next? Where do I want to go now. Because when you’re at that place, you’re going to feel and see completely different than when you’re at this place. And so, when you create a model, that’s what we’re doing here. That’s why we talked about stabilizing, that’s why we talked about systematizing. That’s part of creating a model.
When you do that, you get it on point, you can make the decision. You know what, this is great. I’m making the money I want to make every year, I don’t have to work that much, it runs smooth. I could go pursue other things or enjoy my life. Or you can say, what, great. Now I’ve got a business it’s worth something. Because it’s a model, right? People want to buy a model. People want to buy processes, they want to buy a turnkey business. They don’t want to buy a business that requires you to run it. They want to buy a business that they can see clearly that as the owner, they’re not going to have to buy themselves a job.
You’ll get somebody to take a business off your hands for a low dollar amount. But if you want top dollar, you want someone that has the money and understands investment and their return on their investment. And they look at, if I’m going to take this money and put it into this business, how does that weigh out to taking that money and putting it in the stock market or taking that money and putting it into real estate? They’re not saying, let me buy your business like to come run a moving company. There are those people, but that’s not where you get top dollar. But the people that have top dollar, they want to see it’s turnkey, they want to see that runs without you. Model business.
So you want to pass it down to your kids, or somebody, or maybe you’ve got a really awesome right-hand person that you want to, pass it down to, pass them down something that’s functional, something that works, something that’s sustainable over the long term. You want a franchise. You want a franchise, you need a model. If you want a franchise, you are basically saying to people, hey, don’t worry about trying to figure out how to run a moving company, I have the model. You pay me, I’ll show you the model, I’ll give you everything you need. You go run it and you continue to pay me.
So all of this stuff requires you to build a model and a sustainable model. Not something that’s going to make you money in this moving season, although, getting money quick is important. You need to build something that’s sustainable. So after I did this with this client and we went through this assessment, remember, he’s got a kind of a really good size, moving company, in a good city, van line agent, local moves, long distance moves, commercial moves, warehouse and delivery, storage, packing. I don’t know if I said commercial, commercial.
After all of that, the decision was for him, remember, this is different for everybody, the decision was, let’s keep this as is because it works as is. But moving forward, let’s just open local moving and storage companies. Streamline, no long distance, no van line affiliation, no commercial, no warehouse and delivery. Let’s keep it simple. Because as he went through the assessment, it was clear for him to see what was going to make sense moving forward. There was nothing that he wanted to … I’ve done this with other people too, and they look at it and like, man, I just need to stop doing that thing right now.
Actually, I’ll give you a perfect example. Somebody was doing military moves. And after doing this assessment with them … Again, I’m not saying military is good, I’m not saying military’s bad. It’s all about the person. It’s all about how synergistically all this stuff works with you and what you enjoy. Again, what he enjoyed and dislike is different than what other people enjoy and dislike. But he decided right away, just drop militaries. Like, it’s not giving me the net profit. It’s not easy to service. The ease of sale, it doesn’t energize me. Scalability is not there. And the sustainability wasn’t there. It was like super clear to him. Okay.
This is important. Spend a little time this weekend, work on this. The thing that separates the people that really excel in this business and in life is the difference between someone that’s committed to mastery, typically people like you that are here watching this stuff, sticking with me till the end of the video, and the people that are dabblers. The people that will go online and look for the quick hacks, the quick little fix. What’s the one little marketing source that’s going to give me the leads? I’m going to give you all the marketing sources that you need at the event, but I’m also going to teach you how to handle and manage and strategize and plan and execute real marketing strategies.
Louis, what do I say to book a job? I’m going to teach you that. I’m going to teach you the scripts. But I’m also going to teach you how to set up the systems and the processes to where jobs are being booked consistently, profitably, all year. So you’re doing it based on job costings, so every job you book is profitable. That you’re not booking a bunch of jobs, and at the end of the day, the money’s not there. My mission is to serve. My mission is to help you get what you want out of this business. Specifically, if I’ve got one skill that I’ve been able to develop in my life, it’s to be able to build a sustainable, successful, profitable, non-stressful, predictable moving company. Could I maybe do it in another business? Maybe. But you know what, I’ve got a mission for you.

5 Must-Do Accounting Processes for Moving Companies

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to systematize your moving company’s accounting.

  • “For the first seven years I was in business, I ran my moving company essentially blind because I didn’t really know my numbers.”
  • “Things like a Profit and Loss Statement, Balance Sheet, Marketing ROI, Cash Flow Statement, etc, were all foreign to me. It wasn’t until the recession hit in 2008 and money got tight, that I realized I didn’t really know where any of the money was. Talk about a scary feeling!”
  • “After sitting down with my accountant and actually learning how to run my business from the numbers, I finally found the clarity I needed and fortunately, I was able to make it through the recession. A lot of companies didn’t make it.
  • “If you have achieved some success in your moving company up to this point without knowing your numbers, it will be like adding a turbo-charger to your company when you get these accounting processes implemented.”
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TRANSCRIPTION

Louis Massaro:
What’s up, guys? Welcome back to the Moving CEO Scaling Series. What is this? Episode nine. We’ve been going strong for nine days in a row, working on scaling your moving company, taking it to the next level, taking what’s working and stacking and growing and stacking and growing. We started off by stabilizing, right? There’s really a few things that need to happen before we could scale. We started off by stabilizing. We went through a few days of just kind of getting things back in line, stabilizing what’s feeling a little chaotic.
Today, we’re going to talk about systematizing your accounting. Some of you may have scrolled through and saw accounting and just said, “You know what? Let me keep scrolling,” because it’s not the sexiest of topics. But I used to feel that way myself. And then it became a whole different ball game for me when I realized the true benefit of what it can do for my business. And so, this is actually a really, really, really important episode. A lot of people will dive in, “Tell me the marketing stuff. Tell me the sales stuff,” but when it comes to the accounting, people kind of turn a blind eye to that. And I’m here to kind of plead to you that, make this a priority. Make accounting, make your numbers a priority because if you are trying to run a business and you don’t know what your numbers are, it’s like being a captain of a ship without any coordinates of you’re going. And it’s a big ocean and it’s a big sea and you might be out there for a while and be okay, “Well, I’m sailing, I’m cruising.” And you might feel like you’re really doing good. And you might be doing good. You might be making money. Then all of a sudden, you hit the iceberg. And now, you’re the Titanic. You might have had the biggest, best ship, but now you’re going down because you hit the iceberg.
And I’m saying this because this happened to me. When I started my company, again, I was 19 years old. And almost right away, after getting through some initial hurdles, it started making money. And so, I based everything off of, “How much did we book today? How much did we do today? How much money’s in the bank?” And that was the extent of it. I’d have my CPA saying, “Louis, your P&Ls, your P&Ls, your P&Ls.” And I’m like, “All right. Yeah. What do you need to figure that out? And you figure it out.” And, to me, it was just something extra in the business that I felt like the accountant needed. My mind was focused on, “I need to book jobs. I need to hire some movers. I need to get more business, more trucks. Get into storage.” That’s where my mind was. And it just felt like, to slow down and review these reports, that the first few times I tried to look at them just felt like they were… it was like reading hieroglyphics. I’m like, “What am I even looking at here?” And I ran my business, I’ll admit, I ran my business for probably the first seven years and built a massive company in that time not really knowing my numbers, not really reviewing my profit and loss, my balance sheet, and my cash flow statement.
And it wasn’t until the recession hit in 2008, where all of a sudden, cash flow got really tight, meaning there wasn’t enough money to pay the bills. And at that time, I had six locations. And I was scrambling. One office was doing okay; another office wasn’t doing okay. And it became this like, “Where’s the money? What is going on?” And I had no clarity. And so, imagine nowadays driving, and just being totally lost. And you don’t have your GPS with you. You never learned how to read street signs. You never understood the logic of how they put streets together, and what northeast means, and how one side of the street’s even numbers, the other side, odd numbers. Imagine you just never knew any of that, and you didn’t have your GPS to tell you where to go, and at the same time it was rush hour. That’s what it felt like. It was like, “Man, there is so much that I need to know and I need to see to navigate myself through this tough time, but I don’t have the information to do it.” And that’s when I got really, really serious. It was like, “Okay,” you know?
Listen, it’s human nature, right? We know we should do something, we know we need to do something, but until we feel the pain of not doing it, until we have that heart attack from the food we’re eating and not working out, until we know are totally depressed and miserable because we’re not taking care of our well-being, until our business is on the verge of going under, we don’t feel enough pain to do the things that aren’t the fun things to do. And that was my moment. That was my time, where it was like, “Look, I need to know these numbers. I need to get these on point.” And I became a student of it. I went to my CPA and I’m like, “Let’s go. Teach me this. Start the clock. Whatever you need to charge me. And let’s go through this. I need to know what this means, what that means. I need to understand all of it.”
And I got to tell you, as hard as it was to go through that time, that recession period, it forced me to grow as a business person, it forced me to grow as a leader, and allowed me to learn the stuff that was totally outside of my comfort zone. Totally outside of my comfort zone. I felt like I knew what I was doing, but I avoided that because I wasn’t good at it. I didn’t know how to do it. And I wasn’t feeling enough pain from not doing it to get me motivated to do it, if that makes sense. And so, when I finally did, it just… listen, I became a whole new person, a whole new business person. My level of clarity that I had to be able to run my business off of numbers was incredible.
That’s what really allowed me to get to that next level, is understanding, look, the numbers don’t lie. We could all mask it with, “We’re booking a ton of jobs. Look at all these pretty trucks. Look at this. Look at that.” And what I know now is sometimes that’s a facade. It might look like a company’s big and doing a lot, and they might be doing a lot of gross revenue, but where are the profits?
And so, by knowing these numbers, man, I just… it’s hard to explain. It’s like you finally learn how to play a game. You think you’ve known how to play a game all this time. Maybe you played poker when family was over, just messing around, and then you finally learn how to go play Texas hold ’em or whatever. You learned the rules of the game. And accounting is the rule of business.
And in the moving business, there’s only five things that make up everything you do: lead generation, your marketing; booking moves, your sales; servicing moves, operations; creating raving fans, your customer service; and accounting, knowing your numbers. That’s it. You get those five on point, you learn the rules of the game: you go where you want to go. You scale how you want to scale.
… weren’t looking at their numbers before, there’s nothing to be ashamed of. I’m not guilting you. I’m not shaming you for not doing it. I’m not saying that you’re not a true business person. What I’m saying is the level of success that you’ve achieved so far without knowing your numbers, if you know your numbers, it’s like you just got the juice. You just got the turbo charge. You’re on a whole different level now. And it’s not even what you could accomplish; it’s the clarity. It’s the peace of mind of truly knowing how you’re doing.
It’s about knowing and understanding where you’re truly at. I mean, how many of you have thought that you’ve had a great month and great summer, great year, and then you’re like, “Where the is money? Where’s the money?” Because there’s profits, and then there’s… I use the term profit, not as a technical sense. When I say profit and thrive, when I say, “Profit in business, thrive in life,” that profit is money for you to take home. But technically, when it comes to accounting and truly knowing your numbers, you could show a profit, but not have the cash. Profit on your P&L doesn’t always translate into cash in your pocket.
But I just want to take this little extra time up front here and set the tone on how important this is and acknowledge that, as many millions as I was making in the business, as many locations as I had in the business, as many moves as we were doing, I was still in the minor leagues until I learned my numbers. And I know companies that are doing great. They’ve got great businesses. They’ve got great staff. They’re making money. They’re taking money home. They’re living a good life. And they’re doing it consistently year after year, but don’t know their numbers. And so, my thing is, if you learn that and you knew that, you will unlock more potential in yourself than you could possibly imagine. You now have a tool, where you’ve been trying to use a screwdriver all this time to do all your assemblies, and now you’ve got to drill, a cordless power drill. That’s what it’s about.
Nick. Nick says, “Once I found my true numbers on monthly expenses and cost of goods sold, I have been a new businessman with a whole new perspective. Thanks, Louis.” Nick, I love it. I love it. That’s why I’m doing this. That’s why I’m doing this. I don’t want you guys to go through the suffering and the pain and the waste of time. If I had known that early on, if somebody really, like my accountant passively told me about it, but somebody that I really looked up to and respected grabbed me and just said, “Listen, stop. Before you go any further, know your numbers. Get this stuff locked down,” who knows where I would’ve been. But there’s no looking in the past. We’re just looking forward. I want to save you guys from making those mistakes.
So, let’s talk about some steps that you could do to automate your accounting. We’re talking about systematizing right now. We’re talking about getting a system behind it because if you don’t have a system behind it, there will never be a day where you wake up, go into your office and say, “I’m going to work on accounting today,” or, “What should I do this week? I’m going to work on accounting this week.” It’s just not going to happen. It’s just not going to happen. So, we’ve got to kind of systematize it and make it easy and make it in a way where it’s just part of the process. Everything just becomes part of the process. And when it’s part of the process it gets done.
So, first thing you got to do is a daily closeout. Daily closeout. And so, again, if you guys are like, “Louis, I know. I do this,” just hear me out. Every day, in your CRM, you want to make sure that who… somebody. Again, when I say, “You, you, you, you, you,” I’m saying you need to make sure this happens in your company. You personally don’t have to do any of this yourself. You just have to make sure it gets done. I’m not telling you to go do all these steps that we’ve been going over. You just oversee it. You delegate it, and make sure it happens, and get it executed. But every day, close out. Close out the jobs. Meaning all the moves that were done for the day, go into your system and just close them out. Make sure that the money’s there. Make sure that the money’s right. Make sure the payroll for the movers is accounted for on that job. For those of you that don’t have a system that does all this, check out my software, SmartMoving software. Just go to smartmoving.com. We need to systematize this because when we get to the end of the month and we want to run reports and we want to see stuff and now we’ve got to backtrack and start filling in numbers, it’s chaotic and totally unproductive.
The other thing is payroll. We pay movers once a week. And in order to do that, we’ve got to make sure we’ve got accurate payroll records. And if you are in a situation where you are every week… I had this early on, for a short period of time. And I was like, “This is nuts. We need to do this daily.” To where every week, you’re going back through all the contracts, back through all the paperwork, back through your CRM, and trying to account for all of the hours that your guys worked, your movers worked, it’s totally unproductive. It’s a big waste of time. And whoever’s doing it, dreads it. Whoever’s doing it is dreading that process. And so, if you just close it out daily, making sure, “Hey, these are the jobs we did. Let’s verify. The job was $968. Did we collect $968? These three movers were on that job. This is how many hours they should get. This is how much commission they should get.” And do that every single day. Again, we’re systematizing. You might say, “Louis, I do that.” Okay. But are we doing it consistently? Daily? Systematic. Systematic. Not in theory. Is it getting done? That’s basic, but that’s the start of this whole thing.
The next thing we want to do is we want to automate our income and expenses. Automate income and expenses. So, when you look at financials, specifically your P&L, you’re going to have income at the top. This is what a profit and loss statement looks like. You’ve got an income at the top, all the money that came in. And ideally, you have that broken out by the type of income: is it local moving income? Is it long-distance moving income? Is it storage income? Is it packing income? The next section, you have your cost of goods sold. These are expenses that are associated directly with the cost of servicing the move, things like your movers’ payroll, any packing material that was used, and other things. And then after that, you have just general expenses. They might not be associated directly, like, you can’t pinpoint and say, “This is directly associated with the move,” but it’s other expenses in the business. And then you get down to the bottom of your net income and your profit.
And so, what we want to do is, in order to get accurate numbers, in order to get an accurate report, the numbers that go into your accounting software… don’t try to do this stuff by hand. Into your accounting software. I recommend QuickBooks online just because it’s easy to use, and it integrates with SmartMoving. And to get it all into QuickBooks…
That’s half the battle. Systematize. You don’t want to sit there at the end of the month, whether it’s you or a bookkeeper, whoever, and try to input all the income, input all the expenses. So, how do you do this? Well, first of all, Smart Moving. You get that going. I know a lot of you are on there already. If you haven’t, go get a demo. You owe it to yourself to at least go look at it. I don’t push it on anybody. You’ve got another CRM that works for you? Awesome. We’re still friends. It’s all good. But you go in and you connect it to QuickBooks. QuickBooks is your accounting software. That’s what’s going to generate your profit and loss, your balance sheet, cashflow, pay your bills. Everything is done from there. You need something like that. If it’s not QuickBooks, look up alternatives, if you’re against QuickBooks.
And what happens is when you connect that with SmartMoving, all of the income from the jobs automatically goes over to QuickBooks. And it will separate it out however you want it separated out. You do a couple little clicks of where you want things to go in the back end and you tell SmartMoving, “Hey, this line, that’s a long-distance move,” once in the back end like, “These are my long-distance jobs. These are my locals. This is my storage revenue.” And it will put it in QuickBooks already separated out, which to some of you, you’re like, “Okay. Yeah. Cool.” But for me, and a lot of you that never had this feature, it’s like we would have to take the revenue, the credit card statements that came in, the bookkeeper would have to go and look it up and see what the revenue was, do splits and journal entries, like, super time-consuming. And so, to be able to automate that is huge.
And your expenses, the same thing. You could hook up all of your credit cards and bank accounts to QuickBooks. And so, every transaction is automatically there. And now, all you have to do is go and tell QuickBooks, “Oh, that’s truck expense. This is marketing.” And once you do that a few times, it’ll start to remember what it is. I mean, it’s so simple, but you need to set yourself up to make the process easier because otherwise the process of like, “I got to do accounting?” And it just feels like it’s got to be this whole, day-long project of like, “I’ve got to get everything input… ” that’s what stops most people. You systematize it. We’re not doing this account accounting because the act of accounting is what we want. We want the outcome. We want the numbers. We want the reports. But we have to set a few things up. We have to systemize a few things in order for that to happen. So, automate income and expenses.
Next one is you need an accounts payable process. Accounts payable process. So, accounts payable is basically an accounting term of saying, “Pay your bills. What money do you owe?” And in your accounting system, it’ll say, “Here’s what’s owed. Here’s the accounts that we need to pay on. You have accounts payable, and then accounts receivable. Accounts receivable are people that owe you money. So, you need a process for this.
So, there’s a few ways you could do this. Back in the day, before technology, automation, all of this, I’d have my bookkeeper bring me what’s called a unpaid bills report. Unpaid bills report. And put the unpaid bills report on the front of a manila folder. Put all the bills that came, like, when all the bills used to get mailed to you. Put all the bills in the manila folder in the same order as they are on the sheet, so that if I had any questions or I needed to see like, “Why are we paying this for this?” I could go look at the invoice, and it’s right there for me. And there was a set day and a set time where I got that information. I was prepared for it. I knew. It was a block on my calendar. We talked about that early on. I went in. I reviewed it. I took the sheet. “Check, check, check, check, check. What’s this? Research this. Why is this? Ask them why this bill is this. Da, da, da, da. Don’t pay that right now.” And went through. And that was the process. Then she went and cut checks. And then I signed the checks. And so, that’s one way of doing it.
Another way is to just have a day once a month, twice a month max, where you have it on… you have reminders. You got a list of bills that need to get paid. Maybe it’s the same bill every month. And you just sit down. You pull up that list. And you go manually make the payments, if you’re the one that’s going to do it.
What we’re trying to avoid is we’re trying to avoid, “Oh, shit. I owe that money. Oh, I got an email. I got to pay this. Oh! Oh! Oh!” And it’s so reactive. This stuff doesn’t have to be reactive. What needs to be reactive: the phone rings? Let’s book the job. There’s a move? They need extra equipment? There’s enough reactive stuff in the business; this has to be smooth.
And another way to do this is just to autopay bills. Autopay bills. Put them right on your credit card. And let them just charge you once a month. Get the points. You know how many points that I’ve got over the years from paying for yellow pages and marketing and all this stuff on a credit card? I’m talking major trips on points. So, if you could autopay stuff, where you don’t even have to worry about it… obviously, you need to be in a good cash flow position to where you’re not needing to make those decisions like, “No, we can’t pay this. We can pay this.” But set up your accounts payable process.
The next one is, get yourself a bookkeeper. Get yourself a bookkeeper. Unless you’re going to learn accounting, which you should, by the way. You should learn it. You should always know what your bookkeeper’s doing and understand their process. But unless you’re going to learn it and actually do it: hire somebody. You don’t have to get a full-time person; you could get somebody part-time these days that works virtually. You don’t have to send them all your paper bank statements and all. We live in a virtual world now. You could easily find somebody for a few hundred dollars a month to make sure your books are on point. Make sure your books are on point.
I had a private client, when I first started work with him, this is, I don’t know, three years ago, four years ago. I still work with him today. And at first, I’m like, “Okay, I need to see your P&Ls. Let’s go through that.” And he’s like, “Oh, I don’t have it.” “All right. No problem. We got some other stuff to work on. We don’t need it right away. Let’s get some of this other stuff going. But get that done.” He’s like, “Yeah, I’ve got an accounting background. I’m going to get it done myself.” And after a period of time, we kept hitting roadblocks of things that we needed to figure out, answers that he was looking for, paths and strategies that we were trying to map out, that we needed to know numbers in order to make the right decision. And finally, I’m like, “Look, you’ve been saying you’re going to do this for a long time. Just hire a bookkeeper. You’ve got the money. Do it. I don’t care that you’ve got an accounting background. That’s great. You’re going to be able to look after and make sure they’re doing the right thing. We need this. Let’s look at how long we’ve gone without it. Do you really want to continue to go, do you really want to continue to not have that clarity?” He hired a bookkeeper right away.
And so, I see a question here: a bookkeeper as compared to an accountant? Here’s the thing. You need a CPA. You need a CPA, which is someone who’s going to be able to handle your tax returns and your accounting from a higher level, from a tax level. And you want someone that is familiar with business, small business tax strategy, so you’re not paying extra money. But as far as someone to manage and clean up your books and just keep them up to date and keep them up to speed, you need a certified QuickBooks bookkeeper. That’s what you need. So, good question there. Good, good question.
A lot of people will have an accounting office, a CPA office, and they’re like, “They do my books. They do my taxes.” Cool. Great. But be a part of the conversation. That’s what I had at first too. And they would send me these P&Ls and balance sheet. And I didn’t say, “Where’d you get that number from? How’d you do it?”
It’s a big, big deal. And so, a bookkeeper is just someone that’s going to help keep QuickBooks accurate. Get the numbers accurate. Depending on how you choose to do your accounting, there’s two accounting methods: there’s cash basis, there’s accrual basis. I’m not going to get into that today. We’re just talking about systematizing. But depending on how you choose to do that, there could be additional work involved other than just adding the income and adding the expense. There might need to be some journal entries and some… you need everything reconciled every month to make sure what’s in your books matches the reality of what’s in the bank and your credit card charges. So, get yourself a bookkeeper.
Like I said, I hired somebody full-time when I first did this. This was my first real hire, by the way. And now, you don’t need to do that. Now, you don’t need to do that. You could totally find someone virtual. Few hundred bucks a month. They could handle it for you. Whoever does your taxes, talk to them and say, “Do you guys offer bookkeeping services as well?” See what that is, and go from there.
Listen, think about everything that we do. He’s saying the daily closeout, he’s just been doing it whenever he does the deposit, but we were talking about doing it daily. The more that you can get in a rhythm in your business to where it’s consistent, it’s a consistent rhythm, week after week, day after day, your team can get on board with that. You can scale. You can delegate. When things are done, like, here and there and here and there and here and there, you’re the only one that could control that chaos. Nobody else could get really in there with you. And if they do, they’re just in the chaos with you. I want to get you guys out of that.
So, then, once we have that, we’ve got to make sure that we actually review these numbers. So, we need a monthly review as part of our systematizing, with a checklist. Monthly review with a checklist. And what this means is you need to block time on your calendar, set aside some time, and review your financials every single month. Every single month. This is so important because when you… those of you who do this, you’re like, “Yep, yep, yep. I know. Yep. You’re right. You’re right.” And those of you that don’t, hopefully I’m painting the picture on why this is so important good enough, but you won’t truly feel it and understand it until you do it.
For me, I remember looking at my financials one month. And at one point, I had six locations, plus a long-distance division, plus my corporate office. So, you’ve got eight sets of financials. Each one has its own individual set of financials. And I’m looking at this one office and I’m like, “Why are the claims so high? What is going on there?” And because I recognized that and I saw that, this is one example of so many, I went into the CRM. I drilled down into the claims. I looked at what was going on with the claims. We found out who was causing them. And we found out what specifically they were damaging. And we were able to find out that it was because they were damaging flat screen TVs, they were damaging marble tabletops, they were damaging pictures, basically stuff that needs to be packed in a very similar way. And it was a specific set of movers with a specific set of items. So, what did we do? We went in and we did targeted training. I wasn’t even there. I called the ops manager over there at that office, “Here’s what we need to do. Get it done.” And that was it. We solved that problem. The claims went down. You could identify problems so easy by looking at the numbers.
Maybe the first time you look at your… you may say, “Louis, I’ve looked at the P&L and I don’t see anything.” And that’s because you’re not comparing it to anything else. You’re going to need to review these for a few months in a row to start seeing what the trends are, to start establishing what your baseline and what your benchmarks are for certain numbers, what the percentage of income is for a certain category. “We’re spending X% on fuel.” So, if you’re spending 5% on fuel, and then all of a sudden… you’re looking. You’re like you know it should be right around that number. And now, it’s 8%. What’s going on there? This is actually another example. Found that going on. Drilled down into it. Looked at the fuel cards we were using. Found out guys were stealing fuel at the pump. They were fueling up other people and taking cash. That’s happening to a lot of you, by the way. Just saying.
I’m not a cynical person at all. I want to believe the best in people, but I’m a realist when it comes to business. And I know that if you leave the key in the door of the candy shop, people are going to go in and take the candy. You leave opportunities on the table for people to grab a little extra here and a little extra there for themselves, not everybody, but people are going to do it. But by knowing your numbers, you’re able to stop all this right away. You see it. You identify it. And now, you’re able to make changes. So, not only are you looking at problems, you’re looking at opportunities as well like, “Wow, how could we increase that? That’s working really, really good.”
So, just like anything, the only reason you’re confident in tying your shoes is because you’ve probably done it hundreds of thousands of millions, I don’t even know how many times. You’re going to need to do this month after month. And at first, you may suck at it. You probably will suck at it, the way I sucked at it. You probably will get a little frustrated with it. But stick with it month after month, and it’ll start making more sense. It’ll start becoming more clear. You’ll start to be able to know what’s going on by the numbers. When the numbers change and the ratios change and the percentages change, that’s the language of your business. That’s what you’ll be able to see. That’s what you’ll be able to make improvements on. And that’s what will really change everything for you.
And so, the reason I say, “With a checklist,” is because for me, I still use a checklist when I do my monthly review. I still use a checklist. Why? Because I don’t want to waste time. When you do something once a month especially, I don’t want to waste time like, “Okay, well, I do this first. Then I do this first. Then I do… ” no, I have my little checklist up, just as a little guide. And I’m like, “That’s the first thing I do? Boom. That’s the second thing I do? Boom. That’s the third thing I do? Boom.” Because there’s a little bit of work that you need to do in order to get the information you need and make sure it’s accurate. There’s a few step involved in the process. There might be a little back and forth with whoever’s handling your books. And I don’t want to waste time thinking about that. I don’t want to waste time thinking about it. And I don’t want to skip a step because my mind might be somewhere else at the moment or I might be overly confident that I’ve done this so many times, I don’t need a list. Monthly review.
Just start getting your income and your expenses put into QuickBooks. Just start getting that put in there. And set a date. Set a date with a goal of when you’re going to have completed financials to review on a monthly basis.
I’m throwing a lot at you here. Anytime you absorb information, never feel overwhelmed with the fact that you’ve got to go and implement it right away. And I understand that that’s what can happen. It’s a matter of take… it’s better to know what you need to be doing and realize, “Oh, wow. Okay.” Just maybe in this Scaling Series, “Okay. All this stuff? That might take me 18 months.” Okay, cool. But at least you’ve got to a path. At least you know where you’re headed. At least 18 months from now, you’re going to be on top. You’ll stop dealing with all the stuff that you’ve been dealing with. So, I’m kind of preframing it for you to not look at this and go, “I’m going to get this done this month.” That’s not me like, “Go get it done today. Go get it done today.” That’s not what I’m saying. What I’m saying is, understand the importance.
And the challenge I will give you is, do not let this go past the first of the year. You got three months. You get whatever your other priorities are of things you need to do? You’ve got objectives for the fourth quarter? Okay. No later than January 1st. Starting fresh in the new year. I’m giving you a lot of leniency here. You make that commitment. And you start reviewing those numbers every single month. I know most of you are like, “No, I’m on it now. I’m getting on this now.” But don’t get overwhelmed. Always take all like…
One of the things that I had to learn that’s really, really helpful, by the way, and I think you’ll appreciate this, is that, as someone who’s always looking for a better way, like, that’s how I have done everything in my life was just, “There’s got to be a better way. There’s got to be a better way.” And when you do that and you go seek information, when you come and you watch videos like this, when you come to the seminars, when you get in courses, when you read books, these are the books that I choose to keep when I’m done because I’m like, “I’m going to read them again.” If they’re not good, they go. I donate them. And so, when you are on that path, you’re always getting ideas. So, having a little system, we talked about this a little bit earlier in the series, having a little system, being able to bring new stuff in and then decide when you’re going to put it into action is huge because otherwise, you’re like, “Shiny object! Squirrel! New idea! New business! This! That!” And you’re going to drive yourself insane. You won’t get that far. You’re going to be stressed out.
Accept the fact that you will have a massively growing to-do list or project list or idea list. It’s okay. It’s okay. I’ve got probably more ideas written down than I could accomplish in a lifetime. Are they all great ideas? I don’t know. We’ll see. I go through them periodically and I pull out whatever I think should be… as I’m doing planning strategies sessions for the year, for the quarters, for the months, weekly plans.
Don’t worry about ever having too much information. Don’t let it feel overwhelming because here’s the thing. Wouldn’t you rather know there’s a better way? Wouldn’t you rather know that maybe you’re doing something wrong or you could be doing something better, or a problem that you’re facing consistently day in and day out, that there’s an answer for it, than to not know? Absorb. Absorb. Absorb. Have a place to keep it all: notebooks, notes in your phone, whatever, spreadsheets.
And then you plan. Go back and watch planning and productivity in this series, if this kind of stuff interests you at all. But I say that because I know what it’s like, to watch something, to take a course, to read a book, to go to an event and be like, “Oh my God. There’s so much.” So, you know the one or two or three things that are really going to make the biggest impact through this Scaling Series.

Customer Service Best Practices for Moving Companies

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to systematize your customer service in your moving company.

  • “I see a lot of great moving companies out there that have integrity, they care about their customers and they really run a great business, but they get caught up because they don’t have their customer service process in place.
  • “No matter how good you run your business, there will be some problems from time to time. Complaints, damage claims, unhappy customers… These are all part of the business. So, it’s important to find a way to reduce them, handle them systematically, and use those issues as opportunities to improve and make your moving company better.”
  • “When a complaint does come in it can be easy to take it personal. Which is totally understandable, but the key is to get past that place and see that if you could just systematize your complaint process to where when the complaint or a claim comes in, here are the exact steps that happen, and you resolve it quickly and move forward.”
  • “Learn how to get your customer service process to be steady, consistent, and ready to grow with you as you grow your business by watching Customer Service Best Practices for Moving Companies now!”

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Transcription

Louis:
All right. Welcome, welcome back to the Moving CEO Scaling Series day eight. We have finally crossed that halfway point, and we are still on systematizing. Those of you that have been with me for the last seven days, you know that we’re talking about scaling your moving company, taking what’s working, bringing it to that next level, whether that’s opening additional locations, franchising your business, whether that’s taking just what you do now and lifting it up and doing more of that and becoming more systematic and more profitable with what you do. At this point, you’re probably like, “Louis, let’s start talking about scaling.”
“Let’s start getting to that place where we could talk about, how do I open those offices? How do we start franchising? What do we need to do to start growing what we have?,” and if you’ve been with me for the last seven days, you know how important it is that we first stabilize, systematize, then scale, and we don’t move into the scaling aspect when we’re not ready, and there’s just a few things that we need to tighten up, and so during this systematized section of this series, we’ve been talking about different areas of your business. We talked about your marketing, we talked about your sales, we talked about operations yesterday, and today, we’re going to talk about customer service, okay? Customer service.
What that means is, really, think about your customer’s journey with your company, from the minute they first speak to somebody at your office till that final move is done, and then possibly anything after the move that needs to be handled as well, what that experience is like. I have personally witnessed way too many companies out there that I see are doing a great job for their customers, they’ve got integrity, they care, they will only focus on getting the right crews on the jobs, they’re not looking to just book jobs at any cost and just send anybody out there to do them. They really run a great business, but they get caught up because they don’t have their customer service process in place, because no matter how good you run your business, no matter how good of a moving company you run, there will be some issues, there will be some problems, there will be some complaints, there will be some damage claims. These things are part of the business, and what we want to do is we want to find a way to reduce them, we want to find a way to handle them systematically, and we want to be able to use those complaints as opportunities for us to get better, right? We never want to let a complaint come in and go out without looking at, “What can we improve with this whole thing?”
Right? We’re going to talk about some of that, and so these companies that I see, it’s just that when a complaint does come in, they’re so caught off guard by it, and the owner and possibly managers or anybody involved will really take it deeply personal, which I totally understand and I totally get, but we want to get you past that place. We want to make you see that if we could just create a process behind this, if we could just systematize, complaint comes in, “Okay, here’s the steps that happen, and we move forward.” Right? It’ll make those situations, however few they might be, just run smoothly, and they don’t throw off everything else, right?
They don’t kind of rock the boat, so there’s a complaint or a claim or whatever the case might be, and it doesn’t throw everything else off for the day, or worse, you don’t start accumulating a bad reputation, you know? I see companies that have great ratings on Yelp, but then maybe don’t respond to BBB because they’re like, oh, “BBB is old-school,” and they’ve got an F there only because they haven’t responded to a complaint or two. If they would have just responded, they’ll go back up to wherever they were, B, possibly an A, or companies that they’re still, “BBB is everything, Yelp,” that’s going to go away. That’s just a fad, and they don’t handle any of their Yelp reviews, right? Your customer journey will dictate your company’s reputation nowadays.
It is way too easy, way too simple for them to just pick up their phone, say what they want to say, can’t do credit card chargeback, whatever it might be, right? What I’ve come to learn about complaints and customer issues is that most of the time they’re very small, manageable issues, small, manageable complaints, but if we let them go unattended, if we don’t respond to these customers, if we don’t give them the satisfaction that they’re looking for of, number one, being heard, that something’s wrong and kind of going through a process of helping to deescalate the situation, then it becomes a big, unmanageable problem, right? I want to talk to you about just systematizing your customer service, getting it to a place to where it’s steady, it’s consistent, as you grow, this will grow with it, and let’s start here today by getting into a few points, all right? The first thing that we want to do is we want to talk about your sales to service consistency. Sales to service consistency, and what this means is …
It really means that … It should really be marketing to sales to service consistency. I don’t have enough room on the card, to be honest with you. What this means is it’s like, look, when we have our marketing, when we have our postcard go out, our website, whatever marketing material we have, we’re starting to set expectations for that customer based on the images they see and the copy that they’re reading, the text that they’re reading. We’re starting to set expectations. When they call in and they speak to somebody from your company, whether they get their quote over the phone, whether you go out and do an onsite estimate, now you are starting to solidify those expectations.
You’re starting to set new expectations. You’re starting to make promises to that customer about the service that you’re going to provide, so now expectations have been set. One of the biggest areas where problems come in is when the expectations are set, but then they’re not met, right? You set them in your sales process, but you’re not meeting them in your service, and so we want to take a look at our marketing to sales to service consistency, right? The easiest way to do that is to … Again, just you guys know, I’m big into get out a piece of paper, get out a pen, right?
Get out a note-taking app on your phone or on your computer. Get out a spreadsheet, whatever works for you, some device of recording what’s in your head and get it out, and we want to say, “Okay, let me take a look at all my marketing. What am I saying in all the marketing? What are the promises that we’re going to make? We’re going to quilt pad all your furniture, on-time delivery, whatever it might be, whatever is there, whatever promises you’re making in your marketing or statements that you’re making or promises to your customer, right?
Those are expectations that are starting to be set, so then take a look at your sales. “What’s being said on every call? What’s being said on onsites? What are we insinuating? What are we promising? What are we telling customers?”
Then, take a look at what’s actually being done. Not what in theory should be getting done, but what’s actually getting done on every move. Yesterday, we talked about creating your on the move checklist, like all these 14 days tied together, and so we’ve got to look to make sure that the stuff we’re promising is the stuff that we’re delivering. It’s simple. You’re like, “Louis, yeah, I get that.”
Okay, but do this exercise, go through that and see, “Is it consistent? Is your promise on sales what is being done on service? Are your expectations that are set being met on service?” Okay? You could use this tool in reverse too, to help your sales and help your marketing, because what a lot of companies …
Let’s say you do marketing sales service to help improve customer service, and a lot of times, guys, that’s just notes in the system, taking really good notes, training your team to take absolutely fantastic notes when they speak to the customer. Customer mentions they have a little poodle named Fifi that might run out the door when the movers are there, put that in the notes. Everybody needs to know that. When the movers show up and they’re already aware of the stuff that was said to the salesperson, they feel at ease, they feel calm, right? You’re setting a good first impression.
The customer, they never want to hear your excuse of like, “Well, the salesman didn’t tell me that. The estimator didn’t tell me that.” When they’re dealing with your company, they want to be dealing with one entity. Think about like your logo. They don’t care that you have multiple departments and that you have to pass the baton from one to the next, so to do this in reverse, you basically say, “Okay, what are we doing in, this kind of will help sales and marketing now?”
“What are we doing in our service that we’re not talking about in our sales, that we’re not talking about in our marketing?” Right? You might be doing a lot of great stuff. You might be putting floor runners down, you might be putting door jams up, you might be wearing masks, you might be … Whatever steps you’re taking to provide a great service, put that in your sales, put that in your script, put that in your marketing, okay?
Just make sure that you’ve got sales to service consistency. Whatever’s being said to set expectations, you’ve got to meet those expectations, and you need everybody on the same page, right? Dispatch needs to know what sales is saying so that they could pass that message along to the movers to execute that move correctly. Sales needs to know what’s in the marketing so that they can make sure they’re saying the same thing and not contradicting what’s in the marketing, right? This will save you a lot of problems.
A lot of problems. Okay. Next one is before, during and after the move, before, during and after the move decide who is responsible for that customer. Before, during and after. The term, dropping the ball, it’s a sports analogy, but if we look at it more like a relay race where someone’s passing the baton and they’re like, “Look, here, it’s yours, you take it now, you run with it,” it’s actually a better analogy to look at this because if the call comes in, the salesperson speaks to them, then that gets passed on to operations or dispatch, and then that gets passed on to the movers, and then after the move, maybe customer service, and we’ve got to define this, because although it’s a great, noble thought to say, “Hey, we’re all in this together,” if the customer calls, I want everybody to just take care of that customer.
Yes, of course, take care of them, talk to them, hear out what they need to say, but then get them to the right person who’s responsible during that stage of where they are in the life cycle of the move. Otherwise, what happens is people are like, “Well, I thought you handled that. I thought you handled that.” Right? Let me just give you an example. For me, I think what should happen …
This is what we practice. What needs to happen is before the move, before the move gets sold, okay, it’s the salesperson’s responsibility, okay, your moving consultant. It’s their responsibility. They own that customer, right? They’ve got the ball. They’ve got the baton.
Once that job gets sold, once it gets booked, it needs to get passed on, okay, and so where does that get passed on? Does it get passed on to your dispatcher? Does it get passed on the customer service? You’ve got to decide that, because now we’ve got confirmation calls that need to be made, so you might be having customer service, or you might have dispatch make those calls, not sales. Sales, their job, they’re the fishermen. They need to go out and catch the fish.
They catch the fish, they toss the fish over to operations, operations gets that fish, fillets the fish, cleans the fish, right? Then, the movers are the one that cook the fish and serve the fish, if that makes sense. The point is we want everyone to have a job and a point of responsibility during the customer’s life cycle, and so for me, the salesperson, once you book the job, that goes to dispatch. The customer calls in after they’ve booked, even if they want to speak to the sales, we route them to dispatch, okay, because it’s now in their hands. It’s being planned.
The logistics are in motion, right? Anything that’s said, that’s the person that really needs to hear about it, okay? Then, during the move, dispatch is responsible for that. Of course, the movers as well, but in the office, dispatch is the point of contact during the move. After the move is done, it’s either going to be dispatch, or if you have a separate customer service, it’ll be customer service that handles that.
One of the worst things you could do is send a customer issue or complaint back to the salesperson to deal with it. Now, a lot of people will do it like, “You need to deal with it. It’s your customer. You own it,” but when you do that, you’re now taking them away from doing what they’re supposed to do, which is fish for more fish, get more customers, handle your leads, handle your sales process, and you’re demoralizing them. Every time you put a customer issue or a customer complaint in the hands of a salesperson, you are just chipping away at their confidence at what they’re selling, you know?
They’re going to handle a customer complaint about, “This happened. Your guys broke this,” and then hang up the phone and talk to someone else, and tell them what a great service you’re going to provide. It chips away at that. You’ve got to keep this separate. One of the best things you could do, if you have the room in your office or however you’re set up, working remotely, keep sales over here and operations and dispatch over there, okay?
They do don’t need to be crossed, working together. They could communicate by phone, communicate by chat, get up and go see one another if they need to, but they shouldn’t be in the same space, okay? Next thing is get yourself what I call an awareness board, okay? An awareness board. We had an awareness board that started off as a whiteboard with, just put the black tape on it, the black lines, okay, and any customer that was not 100% happy with their move, not a complaint, but if we knew they were not 100% happy with the move, we put them up on the awareness board.
That then turned into a spreadsheet that we kept up on a TV in the office, that then turned into software, that went up on the TV in the office. Now, people are using SmartMoving to have their awareness board up there of any open issues, any customers that are not 100% happy. Why? Because if you let them linger out there and you just say, “Out of sight, out of mind,” or if they’re not making any noise, there must not be a problem, before you know it, bad review. Before you know it, complaint, right?
We want to be aware and proactive about all the issues and we want to get on top of them before they become, again, a bad review, a complaint, a chargeback, an attorney letter, whatever it might be, okay, so you want to stay aware, and then someone needs to be actively working to resolve these issues. That’s it. It doesn’t mean you’ve got to give them back everything that they’re asking for. It just means that you need to decide what you’re going to do and move forward, which brings me to the next point, which is complaint resolution process, establishing your process for how you’re going to handle a complaint from the minute it comes in to resolved, okay? Whether it’s resolved satisfactory to the customer or whether it’s resolved unsatisfactory, or whether it’s resolved, we turn them into a raving fan, it needs to be resolved one way or the other, but you need a complaint resolution process.
What does that look like? It just looks like, “Essentially, what’s the first step when you’re notified of a customer that’s not happy? What do you do?” Right? These are the things that you need to think through, but think about, “Okay, when we first notified the complaint, what’s the first thing we do?” Right?
Well, how could you be notified? You could be notified because the mover let you know on the job that they’re unhappy, they could have called in, it could be a review, it could be a formal complaint, right? It could be an email. What’s the process that you take them through? Right?
I’m going to give you some things to think about so that you could create this process, is first, you need to gather information about what happened on this job, so based on what the customer’s saying, you’ve got to find out like, “Where could the problem be?,” because every problem in your company, it really comes from one or two places. It’s either people or process. It’s either there’s no process, therefore, things just were run the way that people wanted it to be run, that were involved, or the people aren’t following the process, or the process needs to be updated because it’s outdated, and so we need to figure out what that is. Part of this complaint resolution process is having someone that’s going to actually speak to this customer and hear them out, right? Seek to understand where they are coming from.
We’ve got to stop being so defensive, and I know it’s hard when someone’s like, “You guys did a shitty job,” but we’ve got to put ourselves in a position where we look at ourselves as like a third-party mediator, if we will, right? No emotional attachment to this situation, not getting mad at the customer for saying the things they’re saying, but just thinking about, “Okay, let me put myself in their shoes. Let me understand where they’re coming from. Maybe we did drop the ball.” Right?
“Maybe we dropped the ball.” It happens to the best of us. It happens, you know, and so we’ve got to just listen, and there’s two things that happen when you do that. First of all, you gather intel. You gather information.
You find out what the issue is, and you find out what the real issue is, because a lot of times, what they’re saying is the issue is not always the real issue. You let them talk. You let them talk. The other thing that’s happening, other than finding out what’s really going on is you’re allowing them to release their pressure valve, right? You know, when you let the air out of a tire, you press that little knob or whatever it is in the middle, and it’s like, and it’s deflating? You’ve got to be that for that person, right?
The best way to do that is to listen without defending, listen without blocking, listen in an empathetic way, but while you’re doing this, you’re taking notes so that you understand what’s going on, right? When you do this, when you allow … When I say you, it doesn’t have to be you. If you’re like, “Louis, I can’t deal with that. I don’t want to listen to all of this,” okay, good.
Hire somebody that will. Find somebody that will be good at it, that will understand it, that’s willing to listen, right? Now, you’ve allowed them to deflate, and what happens is we find out through this process … In my programs, my clients have what’s called my complaint resolution form, which is essentially a form that you fill out as you’re talking to the customer, kind of walks you through this whole thing, and what we come to find out is that what they initially called about that seemed like such a big deal started with something really, really small, but what happens is they feel a little silly sometimes for calling and complaining about something that’s so little, that they’re like, “Let me beef this up so I could get what I want. Let me make this.”
“Let me add whatever I can to this, because this little complaint that I’m giving here doesn’t sound like significant enough, so let me talk about the guy smoking outside. Let me talk about, oh, and you were late, and this, and I was promised that,” which all could be totally true, but what’s making them upset? What’s the real issue that if it didn’t happen, they wouldn’t have made an issue out of it? That’s what we’re seeking to understand, and the only way you’re going to do that is putting yourself in their shoes, listening to them, helping them release their air valve, okay, make good notes, attentive listening to what they’re saying, not just like making fun of them in the office with whoever else is there, right? I get it. I totally get it, but this is an opportunity.
You’ve got to start looking at these complaints as an opportunity to make your business better, because every time that you don’t, every time you don’t really listen and hear them out, you’re missing the most valuable information you can about real intel to how your company’s doing, the perception, the expectation that you’re setting, right? Once you do that, part of your complaint resolution process never leave the scene of a complaint without looking at, “How do we correct this internally?” Always deal with the customer. Always get it resolved, right? Then, what do we do with a customer that is just, “Hmm, okay. I’m satisfied with the resolution,” versus someone who’s like, “I’m still pissed off,” and somebody that’s like, “Oh my God, you know what?”
“You guys, you really kept your word,” and something happened. “Listen, mistakes happen. I totally get it, but you stood up. You did the right thing. What could I do for you? Where could I give you a review?”
Right? We’ve got to take people through this process. Then, every single part of this complaint resolution process ends with, “Where do we need to have process improvement or training for our people so this doesn’t continue to happen?” How else are you supposed to know where your weak links are in the business? Doesn’t mean the person’s weak.
Doesn’t mean you’re weak, right? This is a unit, right? You could have the best players on a team, but if they don’t know how to play together, if there’s no game plan, if there’s no plays that there’s somebody calling, people will drop the ball, so we’ve got to identify after each one of these and figure out what you’re going to do about it moving forward. Part of the complaint resolution process might need to be you speak to the salesperson. Somebody needs to say, “Okay.”
If the complaint stemmed from there, talk to them, get their statements, see what they said. If it came from the movers, talk to them, see what they said, get some information so that you could resolve the complaint, all right? Then, what you want to do, I know this all might sound like common sense, but what I want you to ask yourself is, “Are you doing this, and are you doing it consistently?” Not like, “Louis, I know this stuff,” but, “Are you doing it consistently?” You know?
You might know that in order to get a six-pack of abs, you’ve got to … I’m not signaling because I have a six-pack. I’m just, I’m saying if you know you want to get a six-pack of abs, you’re like, “Oh, I know I got to eat better. I know I’ve got to workout. I know I’ve got to do my core work.”
Just knowing it’s not enough. You’ve got to do it consistently, right? This right here is another core function of your business. The five fundamentals of every single moving company are lead generation, booking moves, servicing moves, customer service and accounting. Everything you do in your business falls under those five categories.
You get those five systematized, you’re ready to scale, right? You’ve got your lain, good foundation to build on. You don’t systematize this stuff, you’re going to scale on quicksand, and it’s going to be like this, and you’re going to wonder why it’s such a shaky ride, and then it becomes suffering, instead of scaling. It’s why we’re talking about systematizing, right? You’ve got your complaint resolution process. Now, you need a process for getting those five-star reviews.
We can’t just wait for these to fall on our lap. We’ve got to be proactive, we’ve got to go for them. We’ve got to get those five-star reviews, so what’s your process for this? Too many people, it becomes such a painful point when they get the bad review, but what are we doing to mitigate that with good reviews, okay, so you want to have a system. Those of you that are on my software, SmartMoving software, you have the ability …
I hope you know, you have the ability after the move is done. The customer gets a text, the customer gets an email, and it takes them through what I call the Review Fetcher process of guiding them through a quick, easy, painless, 60-second process that’ll allow them to go give you a review, but also filter out anything that will be a bad review so that it’ll come in to your awareness board so that you could go to work on your complaint resolution process to deal with it, right? Imagine sending out something to a customer and they’re like, “Hey, I’m giving you two stars.” Well, instead of guiding them to Yelp to give you a review, instead, it comes into your awareness board and says, “Hey,” to somebody that’s unhappy. Get to work and make them happy.
Figure out this problem, right? Whereas, they say, “Oh, you guys were great, five stars,” it leads them right to wherever you want them to go. You want them to go to Yelp, you want them to post that review on Google, you want them to post it on Yelp, Facebook, wherever, systematize this process. Systematize this. Have your movers get the review right there on the spot. Get the video testimonial right there on the spot.
You’ve got to build this in. Otherwise, if you don’t build this in to the day-to-day, it just doesn’t get done. It just doesn’t get done. I mean, ask yourself like, “How long …” You know this.
I mean, you guys know this. I’m not telling you something. You know that you need to get more five-star reviews. You know that, right? Give me a thumbs up. Let me know, like you know you need more five-star reviews.
This is something that you can do something about. You can’t do something about Yelp filtering them all off the first page, right? You can just keep getting more and more and more and more and more to where whatever percentage they filter off. It’s fine, but your online reputation is everything right now in 2020. I call it your Google garden.
You Google the name of your company. In that first page, it’s there. That’s your … People are like, “My online reputation.” Go Google the name of your company. Whatever’s on that first page, that’s your online reputation.
That’s what customers are seeing. Go clean that up. Go resolve those issues. Call any customers you see with low-star ratings and run them through your complaint resolution process, right? Learn from it so that you could see, “Okay, but there’s a problem here with our sales to service consistency.”
“Where did we drop the ball? Maybe we dropped it because during passing the baton, before, during and after the move, there wasn’t clear, clear, clear instruction on who’s responsible for that customer.” Right? Guys, go after these five stars. Go after the five stars and go after the one stars, right?
You’ve got to start embracing customer complaints, and look at it, instead of like, “Oh, man,” and just getting totally … I mean, I get it. I get it, I get it, I get it. I think because I do a lot of personal development work and stress relief work for myself, for my own mindset, I’ve been able to, over the years, not take it so personally, but does it feel like a stab in the chest? Of course, but then you’ve got to move past that and look at it and go, “You know what? That complaint’s there because there’s still something that is not resolved yet in the business.”
“There’s still something that if I was to go scale right now, if I was to go scale right now, I’m going to bring that problem with this model.” By systematizing your business, you’re creating a model business, right? A model. A model is something that you could take and you could duplicate. Before you take something, and if it was something, a document on your computer and you want to make several of those documents, you could just copy and paste, copy and paste, but before you copy and paste, you want to make sure that original document or whatever it is, is how you want it to be.
It’s the same thing with your business, so start looking at all these complaints that come in. Sure, they’re frustrating, but it is what it is. It is what it is. Don’t think this is an easy business. Don’t think that you could like not put focus, energy and attention on customer service and resolving issues, and run a great business and make good money and live a good life and let things run systematically, and not be putting out fires every single day.
It’s just not the way that it is, but it doesn’t mean that that’s the business and the way that it has to be. Meaning, take a little time to set this stuff up, right? Take a little time to set this stuff up. It is insane to go year after year after year after year with the same problem and just complain about it. Will you be able to put every single complaint, every single issue to rest?
I hope so, but chances are no. Chances are there’s still going to be issues. Moving’s a very stressful time, you’re walking into somebody’s house, you’re taking everything they own, you’re putting it on a truck. Strangers are coming in their house, putting it on the truck, it’s stressful, you know? There’s a lot of cheap furniture out there that breaks the minute you put a finger on it, so complaints would happen, complaints will continue to happen, but it’s how you deal with them, you know? I’m not saying you don’t care right?
When a complaint comes in and it doesn’t phase you, it’s okay if it doesn’t phase you because the reason that it doesn’t phase you is you know it’s going into your little process to handle the customer’s issue, find out what’s happening, assess how you can make it better, and put a plan in place to make it better so it doesn’t happen again. If you keep doing that cycle with every complaint that comes in, they’re going to get less, they’re going to get less, they’re going to get less, and you and your company are going to get stronger and stronger and stronger. You see how this makes sense? You care less not that you don’t care about that customer, you just feel confident and know they’re taken care of. We took the time and we set up our complaint resolution process, and because we took that time, I don’t have to get so emotionally involved in every single one that happens, right?
That’s how you truly care, not by letting it make you sick for the day that a complaint came in, losing sleep over it, having a plan to work on your marketing strategy and scale, and work on big things in your business, needle movers, and it all gets thrown off because that complaint came in and you’re just emotionally like out of it now, right? I get it, but I get it because I was there, and I get it because I made the leap from that to a better way, which is what I’m talking about, and it’s almost like you go from an insane way to a sane way of running a business. When you’re in that place, you make better decisions. When you’re in that place, you’re a better employer. When you’re in that place, you’re able to have a conversation with a customer and truly see where they’re coming from, not to get like to war, and they’re like coming at you and attacking you, right?
You seek that information. You want to know, “Why is it that they’re unhappy?,” because we need to solve that, because otherwise, my plan to open 10 offices, if I’m dealing with one complaint a week, I’m going to be dealing with 10, probably more a week, because once it’s not in your site, it’s a different story. We’ll talk about that when we get to scale. Take the time to get this stuff in order. Let me recap for those of you just joining us.
I want to make sure you don’t have to go watch this whole replay, unless you are digging these points here. Number one … They’re all out of order. Let’s see, sales to service consistency. Make sure that whatever you’re saying in sales is happening in service.
That’s number one. Number two is assign someone who’s responsible for that customer’s happiness before, during and after the move in the company, okay, and how are you going to pass that baton on. Then, any issues that you might have, they need to go on some type of an awareness board, okay? It could literally be a wall with sticky notes. It could be a whiteboard where you write everything up.
You could do it in SmartMoving. You could have it on an Excel spreadsheet. Just have a place where you’re aware so they’re not out of sight, out of mind until they end up as a bad review, right? Get yourself someplace to be aware of all the complaints and actively work to resolve them. Complaint resolution process, okay?
Create the process, from the minute you’re aware of a complaint to resolving that, and everything that happens in the middle, and then go out there and proactively get your five-star reviews. So many of you deserve these. So many of you do such a great job, but are just saying, “You know what? Let my service speak for itself. If they want to give me a review, let them give me a review.”
There’s nothing wrong with asking for it. Sometimes if you don’t ask, you don’t receive. Go get those five-star reviews.

5 Processes to Systematize Your Moving Company’s Operation

SUMMARY

In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares 5 Processes to Systematize Your Moving Operation.

  • “You can’t scale what’s not systematized. And now that we’re in scaling season it’s time to look at your Operations and get it all dialed in so that as your moving business starts to grow, you’ll be ready to easily handle more customers.”
  • “Your customers don’t care about all the time and effort you put into generating leads, booking moves, setting up processes, creating raving fans, your accounting, your branding, scaling… They could care less about any of that. All they want to know is that your company is going to do a great job for them on the day of the move.”
  • “Getting the crews out, the process of making sure you have enough movers to service every job that you have booked, that’s the core of your business. Yes, you need marketing so that you can have opportunities for sales. Yes, you need systems and processes in place to help things run smoother. But at the end of the day, no matter what size your moving business is, you need to make sure that your process of delivering the service that you promised to your customers is on point.”
  • “It’s so important to have everything dialed in when it comes to dispatch and servicing moves because you already know that things are inevitably going to happen to make it more challenging. Movers aren’t going to show up sometimes. Trucks are going to break down sometimes. Customers might not be at the house sometimes… Those things will happen.”
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Systematize Your Moving Company’s Sales Process

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In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares how to systematize your moving company’s sales process.

  • “I discovered early on that just moving someone from one place to another doesn’t require “sales”. After all, people need to move. You’re not selling them something that they don’t need.”
  • “If you believe in your company’s ability to provide great value and service, and you know you can create a pleasurable experience for your customers, then it is your responsibility to “sell” that experience to your customers.”
  • “People want to be sold. They don’t want to be pressured. The customer just needs someone to take them by the hand and lead them to the right decision.”
  • “When you see things this way, it changes everything. You are still “selling” to the customer, but you are selling through service. You are selling them trust in your company.”
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4 Must-Do Marketing Strategies for Moving Companies

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In this episode of The Moving Mastery Podcast, Louis Massaro shares 4 Must-Do Marketing Strategies for Moving Companies

  • “Marketing is the fuel that runs your sales machine. You pour leads into the machine and (if your sales process is on point) booked jobs come out the other end (aka money).”
  • “In order to really make the most out of your marketing dollars, you need to make sure your lead generation process is consistent and completely dialed in.”
  • “How do you know if your marketing is really working the way you want it to be working? How do you know when to spend more, or pull back on your monthly marketing spend?”
  • “A lot of people will start to pull back on their marketing when things get busy, or worse, pull back when things slow down in order to help with overall cash flow. But this is one of the worst things you can do.”
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